Otz calls out Plague Nerf

As I said, the part about DS I have no issue with. Though, I still am not happy that it hit Plague of all killers and Nurse and Blight remain untouched in that regard. I don't care what others think about this part because in my opinion Plague is strong enough that her power shouldn't also be one of the most effective tunneling tools.

The easiest and most obvious answer to "how did the devs not notice" is the devs do not play their game to the extent that they should.

I would accpet that explanation, if we talked about something that went under the radar for a few weeks. Maybe even a few months because this probably doesn't happen very often. But 5 years? We're not even talking about a killer that was completely neglected. They updated her several times and even gave her some extensive quality of life improvements in 5.3.0. That means, that they did know of the things that were wrong with Plague and they took a closer look at her again. If at that point, they hadn't noticed, then I absolutely cannot believe that this was a bug.

Apart from that, this is not a consistent change either. Flashlight saves don't deactivate her power but Headon and Blast Mine do. Why? Make it all stuns or leave it be. This will also force Plague players to use more Pain Res, Deadlock, Grim Embrace etc. because kicking a gen now has the risk that you could lose your power.

Case and point: the scrapped twins changes. Case and point: Blight's "nerfs" (buffs). Case and point: the new DS animation. Case and point: the eruption meta.

These are all things that I take as short-sightedness. They did not sufficiently consider the implications of these updates. But with Plague that's a completely different situation. It's one thing to not see potential issues but it's another not to notice a bug like this for 5 years. It probably happens rarely but it's definitely something that you notice.

At this point, blight needs 3 dashes base kit, and nurse either needs 1 blink or a complete rework. Yes, it is unfortunate that they remain at the top, but plague is very, VERY close behind them in terms of killer snowball.

The difference is that Plague is fine without her most powerful addons. She is difficult to play against but she is definitely beatable. Nurse is fundamentally flawed. Blight is in a weird spot. On some maps he is fine-ish, on others he becomes an absolute nightmare with pretty much no counterplay and will only be beaten by something even stronger (unrestricted comp SWFs for example).

How would you determine "exactly where you need to be" is, when you've just hooked somebody, 5 gens are left, and you don't have bbq. You start patrolling gens when you have no current targets. I really hope your answer is "well I'd just proxy camp usually."

You have a pretty good idea where survivors spawn (except on Haddonfield because there is no consitency on that map), so you also have a pretty good idea where the other survivors will be. Either that or you use BBQ of course (or you play Doctor, Xenomorph or Artist). This is what people usually consider a part of "game sense". You don't go walking around randomly patrolling gens.

You do not have the time to do that (unless you play something way stronger than your opponent) and you keep track of the gens that have been worked on. That's where you need to be. You never want to run around aimlessly searching gens for survivors. That is a sure way to lose every bit of momentum you built up to that point because it gives survivors free time to reset and do gens.

Something else, that killers learn very fast is that they don't want to defend 7 gens but only a minimum of 3. Which is why even when you aren't in chase, you won't go to a gen that is very hard to defend (Dead Dawg Saloon main building for example) unless you absolutely have to. Half the map is more than enough to defend already.

Basically, you, as a killer, decide where you want the match to happen and you enforce that. This is something that a Nurse, Blight (to some extend) and Spirit don't need to care about but the rest of the cast definitely needs to keep this in mind. Note that this does not mean you always play for a 3gen (although, if you have the choice, then it should be obvious) but you keep note of the gens, survivor positions and movement and resources.

Yes, 5 years. Bugs can go that long without being noticed. Besides, most of plague's changes were number adjustments to her addons. I doubt they go in and check to see if DS disables her power if they're adjusting an addon. So it really is unknown whether or not they knew this existed for a long time or had just recently discovered it and patched it out.

Flashlight saves are blinds not stuns. They have never been stuns. They don't count for stuns for survivor challenges that require stuns. That's why plague doesn't lose power on flashlight blinds.

Short-sightedness is a symptom of not knowing how the game works for the most part and being out of touch. Everyone, and I mean everyone, knew the exact second the twins ptb patch notes came out that those changes were not fit for the live servers. Nobody would even suggest those because they were just straight up broken and unfun. Sure the purpose of the ptb is to test potential changes, but if I said "let's give nurse 5 blinks and reduce her fatigue" you wouldn't have to play a single second of that on ptb to know the outcome.

When I say patrolling gens, I'm not talking about brainlessly walking around to the other side of the map to check every single gen. Of course I meant to check the most high traffic gens and the surrounding areas.

Yeah, I would say DS makes the most sense out of all, because it is supposed to be a Perk against tunneling and the Plague will most likely be tunneling and it would be fair if she loses her power then. But to be honest, I dont encounter Head On at all in my games anymore (I think people are rather using Buckle Up/FTP or Flashbang/Background Player nowadays, Head On has always been an SWF-Perk and I think SWFs just moved on to better options). And Blast Mine is also really rare in my games.

But to be fair, letting her use her power on all Stuns makes sense in general. There is not really a reason why only one type of Stuns is the reason she loses her power.

In the end I dont think it matters much. But it is a Nerf, so the complaints are big and the same Otz-video has to be posted a dozen times to reflect this.

Yay... Another killer that won't be seen in high MMR

Been playing plague a lot recently, and i noticed blast mine also cancels the power. Was it always like that? I thought only pallet stuns get rid of her power..

I mean they made it so Blast Mine stopped refreshing when it ran out. That was like that for over 2 years and was declared a bug.

I understand this is a weird thing to suddenly 'fix', but it seems like he is making this out to be a bigger deal than it actually is. I don't think it will have any real effect in the vast majority of games.

To be fair, this also impacts patrolling gens because Blast Mine removes it now as well.

So you are not playing nurse nor blight, that leaves the other suggestion open, survivors are throwing or merely really bad at the game. First down and no gens means someone messed up horribly, as the map still has all resources and strong loops are avaliable.

Because on some killers thats the case, for example if you get curved by a blight/oni or flicked by a wesker that is the killers skill making them have the advantage you are correct in that assumption.

But if you lose to a trapper or get outplayed at a loop by a sadako thats 100% on the survivor making a mistake. Yes I overexagerated not only nurse and blight let killers show skill, many other killers do, but if you show me someone going down to an m1 killer and not wasting at least 1 minute of their time I will say that that survivors is new/not good at the game.

They probably aren't gonna respond. Because eitherway it looks bad to them. They left a bug in the game so long it basically became balance. Or they shadownerfed a killer and called it a "bugfix" eitherway sounds bad for them.

I think this is a fine thing to keep, Plague gets her corrupt removed when getting stunned with pallets, etc. DS should remain disabling it since it counts as a stun, Plague is already a very strong killer.

That's not entirely true. The problem isn't necessarily DS, its that it also is affected by head on, and blast mine of all things.

If it's intended, as I stated here, then I don't have an issue with the mechanic. Perks/abilities countering game mechanics sadly seems to only be an issue when it's the survivors countering killers. It's ironic that people are complaining about plague's power, one of the most snowball-capable powers in the game that lasts a very long time, getting disabled after a stun, when her power prevents any sort of healing/stealth build (because the puke makes you audible) for almost the entirety of a trial simply because the killer exists.

The only issue I have is the patch notes not being a detailed list of additions, removals, changes, and bug fixes. If those bug fixes affect the end user, the devs should be transparent and share an easily digestible but also semi-verbose patch note about them.