Dracula from Castlevania is a bite far too big for Entity to chew
Dracula as a killer is just … realms above entity in power. I mean literally he is someone who can boss beings like entity around. He already has done so before in over 30+ games with all manner of evils and gods alike. Him being a "vampire" lost any meaning ancient time ago. He is endlessly more now. Some facts of WHAT he is now :
- Counterweight to the Christian God , an equal match of evil to gods good (stated at the end of Aria of Sorrow), the god of evil, said to "reign at the apex of the dark world"
- The herald of chaos (all evil ever, the antithesis of god)
- Dimension/reality warper (can pull people into realms of any kind and travel around them at whim)
- Invulnerable to absolutely everything in existence (except for the vampire killer holy whip infused with a pure human soul which was his own wrongdoing, and his own power in some scenarios), this includes any magic or powers
- Master of Death, the Grim Reaper himself who serves him with absolute loyalty
- Master of ancient Gods of all kinds , mythological beings with all sorts of powers, arch-demons of hell (much like fallen angles like Satan), sorcerers, monsters, undead, liches much like Vecna etc. Can summon them all at will. Commands even creatures that can control time which means is time-proof even.
- Can't die , collective evil of earth will summon him back from hell to earth no matter what
- Master of a sentient hellish city castle that is inhabited by all things evil
- Can steal souls of anything in his presence
- Can transform into various abnormal hellish eldritch entities at will (does in most games)
- Can summon meteors and blood storms, prevent daylight in his land, master of sorcery and occult
- Can teleport at will, possess anyone
- and much much more
Dracula is the dark lord of chaos that hell cannot contain so how exactly will he end up in entity's realm ?
I mean he is not the devil , he is the SUPER devil. Not in description but in literal meaning.
The Belmonts are also not some buff dudes running around with a chain whip. They actually defeat the guy described above (likely as God's choice in order to prevent the death of everything on Earth, with boundless holy power in their blood that makes them almighty and a soul possessed holy weapon, beside being capable of magic)
So seeing a deity shadowing being like Dracula getting stunned by a pallet would make no sense. Entity managed to depower some individuals but this guy is power by purpose and being.
So what will BHVR come up with for him to bother being in the fog ? Will he command the entity to change the game for himself and the Belmont in order to cheat in their battle ? Will he be bored in the castle and pop in to mess with the Belmonts ?
Post your ideas below.
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Take him at the start of the timeline instead of at the end because it exists outside of our understandings of time
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This was already attempted against him by Galamoth who traveled back in time to fight him for the Dark Lord title and failed. I have thought about this too but apparently Dracula became the Dark Lord right at the beginning. It's a title that chaos gives to its physical world avatar. He held it from the start as Castlevania castle is of chaos and he was in its command early on. Not to mention Death itself (of chaos too) served him from day 1.
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I… find myself curious if anyone changes your mind. You seem quite experienced and knowledgeable about Castlevania lore.
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He was not my first pick for Vampire rep for that very reason. Not super sure how that's gonna work.
I would've rather seen Bram Stoker's Dracula or Part 1 DIO. Both are reasonably powered, at least compared to Castelvania's Dracula.
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He actually sounds on par with the entity in that case. So the working theory is that the Entity is based on the Lovecraftian gods, many of which exist outside the realm of...existence...as little sense as that makes. It all depends on where in that hierarchy the entity is.
Castlevania Dracula will beat all the great old ones and most of the outer gods. But once you get into beings like yog-sothoth and The Black Goat with A Thousand Young, you have a problem. These two exist beyond the boundaries of reality, space, or time. They exist outside of our existence.
Then once you get into their parents, Darkness, The Nameless Mist, and Nyarlathotep (who some suspect the entity to be a stand in for) who are pretty much the reason anything exists. Nyarlathotep specifically, seems to fulfill a very similar role, being the cosmic embodiment of chaos, and ruler over all the great old ones (gods on earth). He is also known as the crawling chaos for this reason. Darkness, as the name implies the embodiment of darkness and is pretty much one massive, sentient, void that can Devour reality. The Nameless Mist, being the youngest, exists outside of reality, and can manipulate it as well as space and time as it sees fit. It, like it's siblings, is immortal and omnipresent
And then once you get into their parent, Azathoth, I don't care who you are, you're not winning that. Azatoth is the reason anything exists. Even beings that exists outside of existence, only exist because of Azathoth.
TLDR: it depends on where in the lovecraftian family tree the entity falls that really determines whether or not Dracula is too powerful. The entity is definitely NOT Azathoth, but if it's in the same generation as yog-sothoth and The Black Goat with A Thousand Young, Dracula might be on par. However, if it's in the same generation as Nyarlathotep, the Nameless Mist, and Darkness, especially with Nyarlathotep bringing forth Azathoth's will, I don't see Dracula winning that, unfortunately.
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Ngl not reading all that. But if th entity can obtain pyrmid head and vecna a demi god it can hold dracula
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OK ik you didn't read it, but he kind of explained why vecna and pyramid head are still nothing compared to dracula
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Easy. After being defeated by a Belmont, the entity revived dracula in the Entity's realm.
All I wanna know is why we aren't getting his castle!?
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It really depends on how strong or weak you think the entity is. But I'll admit, you do make a strong argument. The entity could make a deal with dracula, in the same way he'll likely have to make a deal with Pennywise someday
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Isn't Vecna a god himself, too? I mean, his motives to enter the realm could very well be like Vecna. He could be searching for knowledge, maybe even a deal with the Entity itself.
"A sick curiosity overcoming him, he dropped his concentration, and let the fog take him. Whatever it was, wherever it was, he understood that the only way to harness it was to submit to it. He knew, in his cold, unbeating heart, that its dark secrets would one day be his."
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didn’t read everything but you just convinced me to never look into Castlevania at all. That sounds super boring. I hope they focus on the vampire features for DbD and leave all that oh-so-powerful (and all the Christianity) out of it.
And for the inclusion: it’s a videogame where everything horror comes together. Literally none of the licensed characters really feature their actual strength, and not even their actual powers/abilities.ü
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The Entity according to the Tome lore, is a being existing outside of conventional space and time. Which is confirmed since it can travel freely from universe to universe, to even different timelines in the same universe alltogether (skins and Legendary Characters)
Dracula while immensely powerful, is still a being confined to 3D-4D space. Even if he had time and reality warping powers, it would not work against a higher dimensional being.
Now if the Entity kidnapped Dr.Manhattan or something i would have several questions lol.
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It's a fun argument. My lore knowledge is not that strong in either case... however to take a stab at it.
What is evident is that Dracula has a weakness, by virtue of the fact the Belmonts can defeat him. As you say they are imbued with boundless holy power. Dracula himself has unimaginable power, but still relies on other beings for their unique abilities, I would imagine if he has underlings to alter time, he himself cannot alter time for example.
Do we know of any reason the Entity cannot harness things like holy/divine power itself? It seems to have the power to alter time, space and the very fabric of reality to it's will, do we know of any limitation that doesn't allow it to exploit any possible weakness in the subjugation of its victims, and bind them as it sees fit?
It's like the Superman vs. Goku debate, Goku is a man who surpasses his limits to overcome any foe... but Superman is a man without limits... so at the end of it all, only 1 has limits to give. We know that Dracula has limits... but we don't know if the same is true for the Entity.
This seems to be the divide to my mind, the Entity is portrayed like a pupper master pulling the strings from out of sight... there is nothing to suggest the Entity is using even a fraction of its power to control these worlds/beings. We don't know if any progress in fighting the Entity (such as the creation of hatch) was achieved in defiance of the Entity, or if the Entity allowed it to happen...
Whereas I'm pretty sure Dracula didn't allow his head to be slapped off his shoulders...
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The Entity's realm could be one place that Dracula's soul goes to bide his time while awaiting his resurrections. He hangs around in another god's realm, entertaining himself by tormenting another god's toys, then leaves when he's ready. I think that would work.
Also yes, the lack of a Castlevania map has strongly turned me off from the chapter through sheer disappointment.
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i think that is the best explanation they could work with. there is no real way the entity could handle a full power cracular against his will. at best the both are equall in strengh
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They could even say that one reason Dracula resurrects is because while he's playing along with The Entity's game, he's also siphoning power from The Entity's trials, like stealing its food. Every time he hooks Dwight, he's one day closer to reviving back on Earth.
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They've had 2 chances now with Dracula and Knight to introduce a castle map and they didn't take it.
I think BHVR might just be scared of castles.
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maybe it even like a holiday for him. lets hang out in another gods realm and enjoy some hunts where the victims always come back to get hunted again. just for a couple of decades or even one or two centurys to sit out a couple of belmonts till they stop being so damn prepared
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There is a great similarity between the chaos and the entity. But I feel like that chaos has an edge. Chaos is a match or opposite of a omni everything figure of Christian god and Dracula is a physical avatar that it pours all its power into. Both God and Chaos exist out of realms and time too, the ceiling of all creation. All there is or ever will be comes from that god. This chaos is similar like the same named thing from greek mythology that predated all the gods.
If entity from dbd would pick an individual on earth to represent its very incarnate (like Nea lol) and put 100% of its full power into this individual, you would get someone like Dracula. But we do not know what entity is right now, we even saw that it is a plant like inter-dimensional being that can get sick (from blight). It also depends on food too, hence the trials. While chaos is a boundless being of pure power that is a yang to almightys god ying.
I feel like that entity is a high power being that would come out of chaos much like Death itself (The grim reaper). But all that comes from chaos serves it and its physical form the dark lord.
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All of this will just make it even funnier when he'll inevitably be tamed by a piece of wood xd.
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The Entity can control any creature, because it is infact not the creature itself but its or memory of it made manifest.
Castlevania Dracula is most likely extracted from Feng Min's mind and animated by the Entity.
I just hope she has played Castlevania Judgement, cause I want to costume of Dracula from that game so bad.
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Why are we assuming we aren’t getting the castle?
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On the roadmap, the August chapter (castlevania) comes without a map
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Doesn't Dracula get killed by dude with a whip on a regular basis? You're pumping him up as a cosmic threat but he's never actually won, even once
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I just hope the Entity can't get their mouth full and chews a Dracula's Castle Map as well
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You did not read the first post ?
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Oh wow talk about hype killer. That would’ve been one of the most iconic castle maps..I see why everyone’s disappointed now.
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It's not the real dracula it's a weaker manifestation created by the entity. Problem solved. 😜
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they could add a whole other realm for castlevania though??
Like, almost all licensed maps have come with their own realm (except for D&D now being part of an existing one as well as Alien which.. still got a separate offering for some weird reason)
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Little bit of it. Mostly I've played every Castlevania game except the awful god of war clones. He's usually not even the hardest boss and sometimes he's not even happy to be alive and wishes people would stop summoning him.
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The games being platformers fail to properly illustrate the lore for him and the Belmonts. But in order to spite god he bit off more he can chew. He is now bound to be gods opposite whether he likes it or not. Belmonts are also immensely powerful beings that can level cities if not more with their holy power. Julius made the entire castle crumble while holding back when he performed the Grand Cross in Aria of Sorrow. Dracula warps realms and reality as it is nothing when transforming in many games.
Its a shame that we dont get a map. Castlevania is the main character of the series , a sentient castle that always rebuilds itself differently.
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is that a fact? like im absolutly sure its the real legion that entered the fog
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Oh. Reverse castle like the vecna portals would be rad as hell.
Nevermind. I'm on board now.
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No living creature can survive what's happening in the Entity, the Legion is dead now.
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Water isnt mind controlling fish.
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… and? We have similar structures in different realms already?
A realm is not only characterized by assets and main building, but lighting etc..
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Oh babes, I have seen your comments. You are not ahead of me 👍
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