So slugging is still a boring thing

If you really hate slugging there are perks to help you pick yourself up, or hope your teammates can help get you up. A killer being able to slug all 4 survivors tends to only happen if there's a big skill gap between the killer and survivors, and is more a matchmaking issue than anything else.

If all the players are similar in skill it's very difficult to 4-man slug.

So the Blight never hooked anyone? Is this a common occurrence in your games?

That's blatently false. Slugging the 3rd survivor so you can secure a 4k doesn't take nearly as much time as leaving the game, queuing up again, getting put into a lobby, getting into the game, playing a whole new game out where you may not even get a 3k let alone a 4k.

Of course the killer is just going to slug to get the achievement/archive done, it's crazy not to.

From Bhvr , and you are deluding yourself if you think you are going against 4-man swf even 25% of the time.

"The killer wins with a 3k"

What if someone only considers a 4k a win and strives for it every game?

I personally don't mind slugging ive said plenty of times i think anything in game is fair play but I do find it funny seeing some people who complain all the time about very small things survivors do, right here defending slugging and just leaving bodies on the floor for 4+minutes while nothing is going on in the match, these are the same killers that when they lose they cry the survivors wont leave or they 99 the gates just to bully them....geee I wonder why people are treating you this way? It couldn't be that you tried to be toxic only to have it backfire in your face 10 times worse.…

Boohoo, another Survivor main complaining, the game is already easy enough for you, but go ahead. Keep crying about killers playing effectively.

There isn't much incentive to hook when only one person is down and the other 3 are healthy and pushing objectives. Hooking when 2-3 Survivors are slugged makes more sense with a slug build since the slowdown comes from Survivors running across the map to pick other Survivors up.

I can clearly see that you like to slug to 4k and feel attacked by the majority of the community thinking that is cheap and lazy. Just playing the game as intended and racing the last survivor to hatch (which is way skewed in the killer's favor) is not "giving them a free escape" it is just allowing them to play the game. And the killer has a WAY better chance to find hatch then the survivor. Slugs also get no points and have no way to exit the match without having to wait for bleed out. So you are just BMing and wasting that players time for no reason.

List of 'extra health states': Endurance (we'll assume basekit BT): Actual extra health state, we are at 1. Teammate bodyblocking: not the Survivor's extra health state. If you view the entire team as having 8 health, the first bodyblock still reduces total health to 7. Not an extra health state. DS Avoided by targeting 75% of the lobby, or even if the Killer doesn't know where anyone is, they know there was a hook rescuer, so still minimum 50% of the lobby. Denying the perk provides more value when the Killer doesn't rely on tunneling. Not an extra health state unless I can count running into walls intentionally as 12 extra health states for Survivors (you can, but then I can see I am not talking to someone who uses their brain). Styptic already covered as not stacking with Endurance, since it doesn't stack, doesn't count. FTP: If they are close enough to FTP+BU, they were close enough to give the Killer a free hit. Only an extra health state against unaware/unskilled Killers, since I assume you are skilled, 0 extra health states. Flashlight/pallet save is countered by looking at a wall, taking the free hit from a hovering Surv, or just general brain usage. Again, only an extra health state against unaware/unskilled Killers, since I assume you are skilled, 0 extra health states. Boil Over+Breakout, if the Killer knows where a single hook is, this doesn't work. Yet again, only an extra health state against unaware/unskilled Killers, since I assume you are skilled, 0 extra health states. Sabos: Maps are currently designed such that I can sabo 3 hooks (in the Killers rough path) and they can still get the hook on the 4th. Not an issue unless the Killer killed someone on a corner hook already, or wasted unnecessary time spinning in a circle for 8 seconds before walking in any direction. To end with one final only an extra health state against unaware/unskilled Killers, since I assume you are skilled, 0 extra health states, for 1 total extra health state.

Spread hooks for 8 hooks before a kill = lose: False premise to begin with, but you don't even need to spread them that much. You can hook Surv A then B then A then B the A then B and get your 6 hook 2k. More importantly, I can regularly (more than half of matches) get my 6-8 hooks before I get my first kill, and that's as Ghostface. If you personally are having trouble, I suggest you record your matches and see what could have been done better in both macro and micro senses. Should you return to hook to punish a late rescue? Should you avoid kicking this pallet at this time? Should this gen be kicked at all? Should you have zigged when you zagged? I did that without recordings because I generally am critical enough of my failings to know when I made a mistake. Recording it forces you to confront the reality of the match and what you did wrong, because we are all human, we will be wrong at least once in a match.

Play against a few (sabo) 4 mans: Yeah they die easier than normal matches. I've played against them plenty of times. They end up with 2-3 slugged while I wait for the last Surv to pop up, or the 25s ago sabo'd hook to respawn (waiting in case they had the 45s total add-on). Generally not a problem. Most SWFs are goofing off with friends, and trolling each other more than you as Killer. Obviously you haven't dropped Survivors (properly) if you think they ALL get unshouldered, instead of it adding ~20% to the wiggle bar, which means the Killer knows anything shy of ~13s is a safe drop. They now have to remain slugged for ~30s before someone else can pick them up, and if a teammate tried to heal them, they had to run past you chasing the other saboteur likely giving up a free hit in the process. Plus a Surv sabo-ing is a Surv not working gens. The game taking longer is better for Killer since pallets are a limited resource. These matches are only harder for people without the ability to understand the macro effects of the Survivors giving the Killer a free slug for pressure, a free chase, and often a free injury. The best way to learn a counter, is to attempt it yourself, and see how your opponents beat it (if they can) when you use it. I did that (and keep trying to do that) with sabos, and find more and more and more and more counters. When I did that with old Blight, I found no such counters as I would win without even trying.

Did @Xernoton ever mention MMR in this discussion?

I see nothing in these two posts?

But good job moving the goal post, probably because you don't want to/can't address halve of their points.

For example about the fact that survivor trying their hardest for a 4 people escape instead of taking the 3e "because they already won" is acceptable but when it's the killer wanting a complete victory (or complete archives or achievements) and doing everything to maximize their chance is an offense to people like you.

(And before you also come at me that I slug for the 4k, you are free to check my comment history where I made it clear that, for the last up to 2 years I played this game, I made it point of an experiment to not tunnel,camp or slug to see how appreciative survivor were in comparison to all the complaints on the forum.)

That is false. Even when it comes to MMR, the game cares about kills only. A dead survivor is a survivor that hasn't escaped, which is all that matters. It doesn't matter how their death occured.

The best possible outcome for a killer is 4 kills and the game grants them a bunch of extra BP for every survivor they killed as well as a bonus for all 4 survivors killed. It also gives them more BP for each hook they got. So you have a bunch of reasons to slug for the 4k (MMR and a lot more BP, as well as it being the best possible outcome, which grants more pips) and the only thing that may or may not stop you from doing it is because it's boring for the survivors. There used to be this whole argument that survivors made, "Your fun is not my priority.", and it applies here as well. As long as you follow the rules, you can play in whichever way you want and don't need to consider your opponent's fun. It's the devs' responsibility to ensure the game is fun for everyone, not the players'.

My point was that if you aren't going to get credit for the kill letting them bleed out that slug to 4k does not make sense when looking at MMR. It was not in any reference to experience or level, if that is your question.

Also survivors risking their lives to save a team mate is the polar opposite and a terrible comparison to "slug to 4k". 3 healthy people running out with a survivor on 1st hook is a closer match. If people stay and try to save a team member, they risk hooks and dying themselves and do it so another player might have an opportunity to continue to play. The people staying are risking losing. Slug to 4k is just a lazy way to almost guarantee 4k without having to actually play. And does not risk loss by the killer, he already won.

[…] it is now up to the killer whether the survivors have fun or not.

That is a pretty bad take. Either side is responsible in finding their own fun. Yes, killers do have some play styles that are usually not very fun to play against but claiming that it's completely on them whether or not survivors have fun is a stretch. For every unfun strategies that killers have, survivors have an equivalent and vice versa.

If we're talking about hardcore slugging, then I agree that it's an absolutely terrible play style that should not exist. Unfortunately it does and it is supported (otherwise how do you explain Knockout?). Slugging for the 4k is annoying, sure, but it definitely is not on the same level. You can play the entire match like normal, it's just that the match will take a bit longer than necessary. It's not great but nowhere near as bad.

Now I have always played killer like the host of a party and considered the gameplay for all players per match.

I used to have that same mind set but I gave it up a long time ago. If this community has taught me anything, then it's that no matter how you play, somebody will find a reason to complain. No matter what side you play or how nice you try to be. So there is really no point to it. It has nothing to do with "being a decent human being" either.

Now I just play however I want to play and I don't go out of my way to be a dick. That is a standard, that I apply to my opponents as well. As long as they're not actively trying to ruin the match for me and make me miserable, everything is fair game. That includes sabo plays, flashlight saves, bodyblocks, waiting in an open exit, slugging for the 4k, tunneling and camping as they are strategies to get the upper hand in a match or get better results.

Also, insulting someone because they said something you don't like is not very nice of you. I guess it's fine though to be rude as long as you're not committing such heinous crimes as trying to get the best results in a video game. This makes you look pretty bad, if I'm honest because you brought up the thing about being a decent human being. The irony is priceless.