The Demogorgon Changes
I really like to think about buffing C & B tier Killers. Now - Demogorgon.
The Demogorgon | Base Kit Changes
- Increased movement speed while Charging the Shred Attack to 3.96 m/s (was 3.86 m/s)
- Decreased Shred Attack cooldown to 1.7 seconds while Breaking a Pallet (was 1.8 seconds)
- Increased movement speed while using Portals to 24 m/s (was 20 m/s)
- Decreased time required to set the Portal to 0.75 seconds (was 1 second)
- Decreased time required to enter the Portal to 0.75 seconds (was 1.5 seconds)
- Increased Undetectable Status Effect to 10 seconds (was 5 seconds).
These changes would encourage players to use Portals and make them more viable. Additionally, I would put old Barb Glasses base kit to completely rework this Add-On.
The Demogorgon | Add-Ons Changes
Black Heart
- Decreases cooldown after successful Shred Attack by 12% (was 10%).
Rat Tail
- After Teleport, all Survivors Auras within 16 meters are revealed for the next 5 seconds.
Barb's Glasses
- Breaking a Pallet with Shred Attack grants 3% Haste Status Effect for 6 seconds.
Mew's Gut
- Decreases cooldown after missed Shred Attack by 20% (was 11%).
- Grants 1 additional Portal.
Sticky Linning
- Survivors that destroy Portals will suffer from Exhaustion Status Effect for 10 seconds.
Viscous Webbing
- Increases time required to seal the Portal by 25%.
Brass Case Lighter
- Survivor that destroy Portals will suffer from Oblivious Status Effect for 60 seconds.
Deer Lung
- Increases movement speed while using Portals by 25%.
- After Teleport, The Demogorgon's movement speed is increased by 5% for 10 seconds.
Eleven's Soda
- While performing Teleport, all Survivors will trigger Very Hard Skillcheck while repairing or healing.
- Missed Skill Check will regress additional 3% of Total Generator's & Healing Progress.
- Add-On has 30 seconds cooldown.
Thorny Vines
- After destroying Portal by Survivor, all Windows within 32 meters from destroyed Portal will be blocked for the next 30 seconds.
- Survivors that destroy Portals will suffer from 5% Hindered Status Effect for 10 seconds.
Violet Wax Cap
- Increases Undetectable Status Effect by 5 seconds.
Lifeguard Whistle
- Increases movement speed during the Shred Attack by 12%.
Unknown Egg
- Decreases the Power recharge time by 3 seconds.
- Decreases time required to fully charge Shred Attack by 12%.
Upside Down Resin
- Survivor that destroy Portals will suffer from Exposed Status Effect for 30 seconds.
Vermilion Web Cap
- Increases the Shred Attack range by 15%.
- Decreases movement speed while Charging the Shred Attack by 2%.
Leprose Lichen
- Removes Power cooldown.
- Decreases number of Portals by 2.
Comments
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Demogorgons shred is a great way of zoning, and making the movements peed higher while holding shred is a bit problematic for that reason, especially considering that the slowdown only appears halfway through the animation, which is why ratliver is such a terrible addon... I would leave the holding shred speed as it is.
The rest of the basekit changes seem fine, however the decreased pallet break time for the barbs glasses change seems to maybe even be a an overall nerf... I would need to do the math to know for sure, but the difference is probably really small… so maybe just leave barbs glasses but weaken it's effect to counter the reduced break time basekit.
The majority of the addons seem to be fine, some are a bit off in my opinion.
Thorny vines seems really strong, basically being better than a certain perk...
Lifeguard Whistle would be quite strong, making shred go over 20m/s,dodging that will be really hard. Don't know if that would mess with his balance in some way.
Unknown Egg is a weird one, it would mess with muscle memory quite a bit, which is why I am unsure whether I like it or not... Besides that his shred is already really quick.
I don't really think Vermillion Web Cap needs a downside, considering that is an increase of like 1.6 m or so? But still usable I guess.
The rest is fine I guess.
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For a long time I've had an idea to make Demogorgon be able to teleport to his portals without the need to place another one to teleport through it.
As for the shred, I think it doesn't need any additional buffs other than crouch tech removal.
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The first idea sounds really nice.
As for shred I don't know, I find it quite sad that the majority of demos addons focus on the portals and not on the shred, therefore I welcome addons that focus on shred.
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More shred focused addons are welcome, I just don't think he needs any basekit buffs for the shred.
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Nobody use Add-On to increase his move speed while charging Shred Attack. That's why part of it would be good in base kit I felt like.
Barb's Glasses - I gave full old Barb's Addon base kit. So players would run something else.0 -
You did? 1.8-1.7 is 15% ? Is this one of these weird bhvr calcuations again similar to how gen speed works?
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Can you read my message? "I gave full OLD Barb's Glasses"…
Before it was 2 seconds breaking speed at base kit and 15% Add-On. 15% from 2 seconds it's 0.3s.0 -
Yes I can read your message and you wrote it was 1.8 seconds.. What do you mean it was 2 seconds? It got changed recently to 1.8 seconds, to also match the changed values for pallet breaks and basic attack cooldown on shred hits and shred pallet breaks… So on top of the 1.8 seconds break we currently have, we get the value of barbs glasses on top if we run it… So I don't really see where I read something wrong… So you might want to re-read your message and the recent patchnotes just in case…
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As for what I meant with that… Apparently the break speed increase also suffers the same weird calculations… According to the wiki:
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why did you nerf lifeguard whistle and lepros lichen?
Demo shred is decent spot. It is the portal that are too weak and need buffs. I'd probably increase portal count from 6 →10, add lifeguard whistle base-kit and leave lepros lichen to where it is at.
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I just think they need to make the debuffs/oblivious on the portals reach a large area, like 12meters. They’re in this awkward spot where you want them to debuff the survivors with oblivious or whatever addon effect you’re running but for that it needs to be right on top of the gen. However this also ruins the surprise of teleports. Another huge issue is his Undetectable after teleport being ruined by the fact of how loud his footsteps are, it kinda defeats the point. I’m generally okay with his shred and pallet break right now, it’s his portals and map traversal that have problems.
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yes i agree. it is also the fact that you can't get tracking unless survivor stands on top of a portal and you need like hold m2 to do this. it is just awkward. Increasing m/s for holding shred does not need seem like the play.
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Yeah his shred is fine. I agree with you on the other points as well.
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They changed Breaking Speed in Patch 6.1.0 that's why…
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Old Barb's Glasses were decreasing cooldown by 15% and base breaking speed was 2 seconds. OLD I meant OLD not a recent one in the game.
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Not really... You would think 30% of the value subtracted would lead to the remaining pallet break time, but for some reason that is not how it is calculated...
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OK, and why did you not take the current version? So another 10% off of 1.8 seconds break speed?
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Because many people were complaining about this change - they didn't put whole Barb's Glasses at base kit and everyone still play this Add-On so Demogorgon didn't receive any new options.
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Kind of yes, but then again by not implementing the full thing now and instead removing it, are you not just taking away the option to take the addon? And it still does not really explain why you don't put in the whole value of current barbs glasses.
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BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THESE CHANGES IN 7.6.0 PATCH NOTES AND THEY WANTED FULL OLD GLASSES AT BASE KIT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO RUN DIFFERENT ADD-ONS… Don't response to that because it's like talking with a wall.
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The point of those changes was mostly to get the 10% in that got changed in the basekit changes like a few years ago.. 6.1.0 or what it was… So why would we put the full value in? You have different options, just because barbs glasses is the best one does not mean you should just remove the whole thing… Also nothing of what you said explains to not just buff it further and implement current barbs glasses into base kit… 10% of 1.8 should lead to a buff more than 1.7 right?
Dude just express yourself more clear… As your texts were kind of misleading. Sometimes you were reffering to changes made years ago and then again to current ones…Makes it hard to follow.
Also you always have options, the question is only what is the best option and you will always have a best addon, well maybe not for Oni or so, or Blight before his reworks, those addons were pretty much decent all across the board.
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