Thanatophobia

It could be way better, I still run it on plague just so the threat of it forces cleanses. That+both apples lets me actually use my power against good survivors lol.

One change I would make! Basic attacks would do a 5% penalty while special attacks would do a 2% penalty. this way it would help the m1 killers more while the others would be decent perhaps?

It’s still good on Plague, but it’s bad on everyone else.

Imo reduce the maximum penalty but make 2-3 injures worth a bit more. I’m fine with it being bad for 1 survivor injured because that means if you’re just tunneling 1 person it gets little to no value.

Everyone and their mother was running it during those two weeks. I'm not sure what the exact use rate was, but you'd see it like every other game in my experience.

It was really good. Exceptionally good on killers that could injure easily. It made the games a slog and that's why it was reworked.

As for the OP, yeah, Thana feels kind of underwhelming outside of Plague or Legion right now. They could bridge the gap by making the base injured penalty 3% at Tier 3, and +8% for all Survivors being injured. It'd still be 20% max but would do a little more for having less than 4 Survivors injured.

That said, Thana is decent, even now. There's a super long list of perks I'd rather see buffed over Thana at the moment.

Either rework it or bring its value back to 4% and remove the 12% bonus penalty.

That keeps it being useless.

It should be strong, but give a downside. For example:

For each injured survivor, all action speeds (except for healing) are reduced by 6%. This would be a 6%/12%/18%/24%. However, injured survivors are now able to heal themselves at a 50% speed, survivors healing on OTHER survivors is increased by 50%. Both effects are halved on survivors who are broken.

Basically, you make it a great perk for delaying the game, but the downside is survivors can easily heal themselves up at a decent rate, or heal each other very quickly if they are nearby.

You are looking at it at face value. The point of Thana is to slow the game down right? But, to make thana good, means you make the survivor's time miserable, because everything is so slow so they have to go find a teammate to heal themselves constantly. But, if you make it so survivors now have a choice, they can continue to eat the thana, or they can heal themselves, or a teammate, it gives a choice.

Lets look at the math of that one for example. So you get injured right? Repairs are now 6% slower, so that means a gen takes 5.4 seconds longer. Not much time by itself, so maybe you think, i'll just ignore it, i won't heal myself and just keep working the gen. But now another survivor gets injured, so now the gen is taking 11 seconds longer. Now you start thinking, "well, i'm injured, which makes my next chase riskier, maybe i'll just spend the extra time to heal myself or find a teammate to heal me" so now, you heal yourself, which makes you safer for your next chase, and removes the penalty on the gen. But, while you are healing yourself, what is happening? That's right, you aren't working on the gen. The penalty itself did not delay the game much, but it delayed it ENOUGH to encourage you to spend your time doing something else.

Its like the pig traps. If you are a good pig player, you do not tunnel the people with the traps, you trap someone, and then you mostly ignore them, yeah maybe sometimes you run into them running to a box, or you catch them at a box, so you maybe down them and then continue your other chase, but you aren't actively tunneling the person with the trap. Because the person with the trap is already NOT working on gens, so you should instead focus your time on people who ARE working on gens. 1 Person trying to remove a trap, 1 person in a chase, 1 person on a hook, and 1 person going for the save are NO survivors on gens. You aren't going to use the traps to try to get kills, you are using them to make survivors do something ELSE other than the gens.

Similarly here, the point is to make thana JUST strong enough, that it makes the survivor think "maybe i SHOULD heal myself". So they spend the time getting off the gen and heal themselves. Right now, the numbers are too weak because you need all survivors injured, but if you buff thana, it becomes miserable because survivors then have to run around finding someone to heal them, or to just power through really slow gens. So the point is to give them a CHOICE, keyword CHOICE. "Do i power through this gen 6% slower and run the risk of being less safe in my next chase? Or do i take the chance here to waste a little extra time, but heal myself so i'm playing a bit safer. Do i have time to do that? What are my other teammates doing?"

It creates meaningful gameplay choices that survivors can make where they can choose to ignore it completely, or choose to go ham and keep themselves fully healed at all times, or somewhere in between.

This is actually why Thana is good on plague for example. Not because thana is actually that much slowdown, but because it encourages survivors to cleanse at the alters. Which, in turn, will speed up their repair speeds, but, it means that now they have to deal with plague potentially having their power. It creates a meaningful interesting choice, where the survivor can choose to power through it, or choose to be safer since powering through it is already being penalized, ultimately slowing the game down either way. If they ignore it it, it will slow the game down, a little bit but its much less safe. But, if they want to be safe, now the game is slowed down a lot more.

Now, maybe 6% is a little too low, perhaps it needs to be 7% to make it more worth it, but the general idea is there.

Just make it so it gives 4% for each injured survivor.

5% flat per injured, that’s it. Rarely do you get all 4 injured consistently so most would just be getting 10-15% which isn’t that crazy but decent. Best case scenario of legion or plague would get 20% and that is good slow down but nothing too crazy or OP, just competitive with other meta slow downs. This keeps it decent on all killers but not OP in the best scenarios.

Alternatively you could make it 4% instead but then I think it’s weak enough it should include healing again.

It got nerfed after dowsey made a video showing how he could use a certain build to achieve a slowdown that took nearly 3 mins to complete a gen, once that video dropped alot of people tried to copy it and you know how the devs are when stuff becomes popular.

Yea because this will totally happen in a real match

So much for perk variety… I agree that 6.1.0 Thana shouldn't return but the current version could just as well not exist. This is not how you achieve perk variety.

I distinctly remember this meta because of a huntress game with 6.1.0 thana and pentimento.

She got one survivor out and I had to finish a gen by myself in almost 3 minutes with no way to heal while the other two were being chased and rescuing. She would systematically rekindle exactly one totem every time we broke penti to keep the gen debuff going.

Just the fact that this was possible and seemed 'ok' to the dev team to touch live for even two weeks is enough that, again, this perk should stay dead.