'DBD isn't a horror game'
I see this said a lot to justify overly comedic or non horror things in this game and it gets on my nerves more than anything. so far starters, DBD IS a horror game. It doesn't matter if it 'stops becoming scary' its still a horror game with a horror centric theme that, until last chapter, has always kept the horror centric theme.
DBD being horror is what makes this game successful and I'm sorry but straying away from horror to move onto other genres is just…weird. So what because the game stops becoming traditionally scary (at the devs fault btw) that means we just move on from the horror genre and start fresh? Everything in DBD people try to use as justification doesn't make sense especially since the mascot skins such as Robbie or Clowns community skin are often used as justification despite mascots being an extremely common fear (John Wayne Gacy hello?) and the Robbie skins are in a league of their own as literal icons in the horror genre.
Bottom line is its ridiculous that people fight so hard for DBD to stop being a horror game when it being horror is what made it so famous in the first place and I swear moving away from that will be something that kills this game
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I don't think it is the devs fault that the game is no longer scary... As soon as you know how everything works in an online game it just stops being scary, nothing they could have done different. And while it is mostly themed I would not call it a horror game, it is a goofy game of catch.
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First off: DBD isn't moving away from horror, D&D may not be created purely for horror only, but it still has plenty of heavily horror theme'd elements to it, especially for places like the forgotten realm.
Secondly: D&D is a game engine designed to be whatever people want it to be, including horror, which is specifically what the chapter leans into and focuses on rather than leaning into D&D's high fantasy aspects.
Whether you have a problem with DBD branching out or not to things that aren't necessarily purely within the horror genre only, but still heavily horror theme'd, is more of a you issue rather than an issue with the game.
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Some people want to be perpetually scared by the same thing over and over again.
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"Dbd is not a horror game" -somebody who has 10,000 hours in the game
That's usually who I hear it from in which case it's easy to ignore that opinion
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I mean after like 50-100 h there should not really be much horror left, so I don't think you need to go that far up with the number.
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Is that the developers' fault? I see it differently. Just watch the same horror movie over and over again. At some point, you won't be scared anymore.
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where does DbD stop being a Horror game though?
I still see horror themes in all the additions and changes really.
It’s just that it’s moving away from stealth/hide‘n‘seek to more chase and slash..
this is not about Vecna - the lich who summons skeletons in-game - getting added, right? DnD isn’t entirely not horror, and Vecna specifically fills the horror role just fine.7 -
no my precious scary horror game 😡 do NOT play this game if you don't toss your keyboard across the room when trapper is chasing u
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No one is saying that lol I'm saying we shouldnt move completely away from the horror theme and genre of the game
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I mean we just got an entire chapter dedicated to a fantasy roleplaying game so…and its about everything and what people have been saying in regards to DBD. Adding in a fantastical wizard who's only form of 'horror' being a gory mori is still a bad decision that strays extremely far from what DBD has and should be. If having a gory mori is all it takes to be classified as horror adjacent then throw in Mortal Kombat while we're at it and make every survivor have to win a 1v1 fighting game stage against the killer💀
Bottom line is this about a collective things and the direction DBD is going in is just not good for the actual fanbase it has and is quickly becoming just another 'throw anything in it just for money' type game1 -
You can keep the tension, fear of getting caught, and vulnerability you feel as survivor alive but because of the direction of making survivors = to killer on a power level basis its gone.
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This lie that DnD is heavily horror is so…This chapter does not lean into horror in the slightest beyond the mori but something being gory or graphic doesn't make it scary. And if this is all the case whats the excuse for the R6 collab?
Do we just throw anything in now a days that has an ever so slight horror element? Like you guys keep saying 'Well DND has this potential!' but we already saw the chapter, its not horror in the slightest or even trying to be. They just chose Vecna because hes getting an expansion and they wanted some cool marketing. When the devs have to spend majority of the segment dedicated to talking about the new chapter just begging and pleading for us to think of it as horror in some way, rather than talking about the chapter itself, thats a sign its not actually based in horror lol.
If you guys want DBD to just collab with anything that'll allow it then fine do that but its not changing the fact that its going to alienate the original fanbase0 -
It stopped being one when we got nic cage. Vecna is much more fitting than a real life actor from our world.
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Like it being horror doesn't mean it needs to constantly scare you, it just means it should stay in the horror genre. All Things Wicked being one of the best examples that HORROR SELLS in DBD. It became the best selling chapter and ultra hyped for very good reason (even if the gameplay of it didn't translate any horror). I just dont find wacky neon effects and wacky mystical spells casted by RuPaul very scary to face against
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The way hes unironically not. Nic Cage is at least known for being a partial horror actor and at the end of the day, offered his likeness for free why the hell would they turn that down esp from an A list worldwide known celeb? The occasional wacky or goofy thing happening is fine, after all comedy horror exists. But throwing in dungeons and dragons and rainbow six siege its just straying too far from what horror, and DBD is.
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D&D being a fantasy role playing game isn’t mutually exclusive to it also being horror - at least what we got in DbD is definitely on the horror side.
Vecna isn’t just a wizards. He is a lich. You don’t have to like him or his addition, but denying any ties to the horror genre is absurd.
People have been arguing about Stranger Things addition because it wouldn’t be horror but more Sci-Fi. Then we got Nicolas Cage (talking about throwing anything in just for the money lol) who everyone seemed to be super happy about and with whom you seemingly don’t have a problem either as you mentioned it started with this chapter?!
Also, why are you talking about a direction when you only mention D&D specifically? Or do you think Castlevania is also not horror?
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Am I the only one that thinks it’s very weird and rude to say RuPaul looks Vecna?3 -
We also got Rainbow six siege and yes I'm 100% denying his ties to the horror genre. At least Stranger Things S1 leaned further into horror and is even regarded as a horror franchise. And Nicholas Cage for the millionith time, is a unique case. When one of the most powerful people in hollywood, and most worldwide known actors says 'I will be in your game for basically free' you take that offer. And while I see nothing scary about Castlevania at all, I've never watched it nor played the games so I'm not speaking on it.
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and AGAIN I am asking you to provide a source for your claim that Cage made this for free!
BHVR is getting money for every single purchase and you are telling me Cage isn’t seeing one cent of it?
and a real world horror actor that isn’t even primarily known for being a horror actor is more fitting than a lich??
and also again; why are you taking about a direction DbD is taking when there is only one single case you find a problem with?!5 -
I mean its gotten to the point where dbd just isnt a horror game anymore. sure it's in the horror category but that implies it has horror themes but still feels like it a party game that tries to be competitive.
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Vecna is miles more scary than characters we already have in-game. I still laugh when skull metchant chases me, when she released she looked like an apex legends character.
Exploring different types of horror is what dbd does best, if we stuck with slashers the game would be stale af, then we got some supernatural killers, which was fine for a time, the it got boring. Thr devs explored killers of mythological origin and past times, slinger, oni plague and knight. Then they tried scifi which they mostly nailed if we discard skull merchant.
Hell I consider knight, plague, skull merchant, trickster and chucky funny characters not scary at all . Yes the game is horror themed but as a game that welcomes all types of horror, some of it may not be of your liking by mere probability.
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Notice the ignoring of R6 getting a collab lol. And obviously hes making money from it???? He himself said he offered his likeness, I'm sure he gets royalties and all that but they didn't need to pay millions to acquire his likeness that they otherwise would have. And yes a real world horror actor is more fitting than a wizard in a dress casting neon pink and purple mystical spells who flies across the map lol
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I feel like you all are just completely ignoring my point entirely and just commenting
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Horror is subjective.
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Might as well add MLP then
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Yet she STILL far outdoes Vecna in every way when it comes to horror. A rich billionaire who slaughters and hunts her competition using her own inventions vs a wizard who casts mystical spells and flies across the map. Oh but he can make neon purple skeletons that lightspeed shoot across the map so that justifies the horror element
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Since when are they shifting away from horror? There are different forms of horror, and I'm assuming you're referring to Vecna/DnD? There are comedic horrors, and fantasy horrors (there is a horror hitting cinemas soon based on fairies) and all different kinds of genres within horror. Slashers, jumpscares, gore, dark comedies... anything can be adapted to horror.
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R6 was just a cosmetic collab. We had some others, I think also charm ones, before. Guess you were also against those?
Just describing Vecna and his power in a funny way doesn’t validate your opinion. D&D isn’t bound to one single genre, and horror is definitely part of the D&D franchise, it doesn’t matter how much you complain about it. That’s a fact.
People being against Skull Merchant, Trickster and Legion have better arguments on why those don’t fit than you with Vecna.. (funnily enough, you are repoing a Skull Merchant pfp - the least horror looking character whose ability is drones that stay in place)
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Vecna isnt even fantasy horror hes a wizard who casts funny spells lol. And what genre of horror is rainbow six siege again I forgot
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Thankfully BHVR isn't moving away from horror so there's nothing to worry about.
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would be helpful if you had any point.
He isn’t just a wizard. He is a lich, an undead creature that used to be a wizard in his former life. But who was ignoring something again?
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You're being disingenuous by allowing SM's lore to be the source of her "horror." If that's fair game, you could do a 5 second google search and find the following about Liches (not even Vecna specifically, but just as a horror themed creature:)
Often such a creature is the result of a willful transformation, as a powerful wizard skilled in necromancy who seeks eternal life uses rare substances in a magical ritual to become undead. Unlike zombies, which are often depicted as mindless, liches are sapient revenants, retaining their previous intelligence and magical abilities. Liches are often depicted as holding power over lesser mindless undead soldiers and servants.Undead wizard revenants that use death magic and control the undead. Thats pretty horror if you ask me.
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He was a necromancer and is an undead wizard. So yeah, I'd argue he falls under fantasy horror. And R6 was a cosmetic collab. If we hold cosmetics up as an example then this game has never been horror because we've had non-horror related cosmetics since the game began. We get Christmas cosmetics lol
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Wait...
Billionaire girl with fancy outfit and shiny mask, that kills people because she read manga her father made is more horror themed than undead wizard who was performing genocide, terror, created undead army, questionable experiments and eventually become terrifying, evil god?
O think your only complain here is that he is a wizard, and magic is not horror...
Well. It is. It's magic that brought evil dead which Ash originated. And more
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Again, billionaire who hunts and kills her competition using inventions of her creation who then takes and harvests their body parts as trophies
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Magic can be hella scary I mean Hag's lore is pretty decent. And she didn't kill because of the manga she killed because she wanted to get rid of competition and sees everyone else as beneath her so much so that their lives are toys she just used the Skull Merchant moniker based on her dads manga which manga can also have some pretty strong horror so?
My complaint is that its a mystical wizard from an RPG tabletop fantasy game casting wacky and zany spells against an elf who plays instruments.0 -
Anniversary chapter, Rainbow six siege, and now Ghostface's cat mask beg to differ
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"HES NOT A WIZARD!! HES AN UNDEAD WIZARD!!!" and you ignoring the point or playing dumb doesn't mean the point isn't there! Adventure Time had that one zombie episode where the candy kingdom residents turned into zombies so I guess Adventure Time chapter is entirely fair game and would fit in DBD since theres a small chance it can be horror right?
Spongebob had the hash slinging slasher so lets bring Patrick and Spongebob in as well.1 -
There's some pretty terrifying spells that normal wizards can just learn without becoming a Lich.
A lot of enchantment magic can basically be mind control. Suggestion (2nd level spell) is basically the Jedi Mind Trick. Modify Memory (5th level spell) allows you to completely change a person''s memory of an event. Dominate Person (5th level) allows you absolute control over another person.
Then 9th level spells can literally bend reality.
Any Wizard (or spellcaster in general) who wants to dedicate themselves towards evil is a terrifying foe to face.
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At some point you have to acknowledge that you’re simply not engaged with the horror of the D&D chapter. The chapter was never going to work for you because of that. That’s fair, but you’re just gatekeeping at this point.
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How? Lore and themeing plays large parts in what makes horror horror and even SMs map is pretty horror centric. Even then Vecna is again, just some wizard oh im sorry zombie wizard from a mystical fantasy game. Thats fine, but it doesn't make it horror nor does it make it even horror adjacent just because he's a zombie wizard.
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You refuse to see anyone's point when they describe anything about Vecna, Liches, or how pen and paper horror shaped the entire premise of horror video games decades before their conception. That and your constant strawmen don't make your point as strong as you think they do.
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Wheres the strawman? Not to mention none of yall even argued my actual point you just started defending Vecna to the core and ignored the actual point of the post. And im not ignoring it I'm just saying theres no horror theme to Vecna which there isn't. If hes horror does that mean when I play Skyrim and play as a necromancer Im playing a horror game now? And literally where have I strawman'd lol the projection is crazy
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This game still scares me 5K hours in.
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Strawman: an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.You keep mentioning IPs like MLP and Adventure time to try to make anyone who disagrees with you sound ridiculous.
Spongebob had the hash slinging slasher so lets bring Patrick and Spongebob in as well.Might as well add MLP thenHopefully you get the point. Also you continuously repeating "there's no horror theme to Vecna" doesn't make it true. Its just an (uninformed) opinion. You're welcome to it but its a strange hill to die on and you shouldn't be surprised when people who know better disagree with you. cheers.
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Okay, I guess I'll just go ahead and get on your nerves by stating that DBD isn't a horror game. It is a glorified version of tag. Maybe a new player might think of it as a horror game but once you've played the game a bit, you can see it for what it really is. It's just tag with knives.
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So your point is "dnd is not horror then vecna and his dlc is not horror"?
Well no. Dnd is an RPG system, not one specific world, and one specific campaign or one specific story. There are horror stories with more terror and less horror, power fantasy games. Just because you don't know something does not means you are right.
Vecnas powers are colorful, just like SM or trickster outfit, but this does not means neither are horror.
Other points in this topic can be applied to killers like: SM, trickster, hag, spirit, blight, doctor, but those are considered horror characters, so I guess it's double standards, for example: why Hag, who is unskilled zombie wich that killed and eat bandits is horror character while skilled "zombie wizard" who performed genocide and gore unethical experiments is not? Because hags traps are black while vecnas skeletons purple? Then maybe it's not about character but his colours? This I could agree that would fit dbd better if his spells would be less colorful. But this does not means he is less horror themed.
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Your strawman is for example in this very post.
Noone is saying that just because in a game is a necromancer that means game is horror game. So no, just because you encountered necromancer in Skyrim does not means Skyrim is horror game. But, it's strawman since noone in this topic even suggested such thing (or I haven't seen it).
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Being disingenous with your argument, look how I do the same you are doing.
Maniatic self revived phsycotic sorcerer
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I'd certainly be afraid of the aftermath.
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