Nemesis is good.

Xeno has the greater skill ceiling. If you have a good enough aim/reactions to swat down turrets without ever losing power, and you rarely miss survivors over tiles, pallets and windows... then her map traversal, built in detection abilities, and immediately available strong anti loop with no startup gives her a much greater potential.

However if you find yourself getting knocked out of power often, or (like me) you struggle to listen well and deal with her low to ground camera, Nemesis will generally be an easier go for you.

I too like nemesis more, but i think its due to the lower skill needed to play it properly.

Nemesis is by far the weaker killer, not only does he need 3 hits to injure with his whip he also has 0 map mobility. Sure the Zombies are nice but way too inconsistent for anything but a bit of tracking.

Xenomorph has lower range but can hit over things Nemesis isn't even close to being able to do so. His range attack has basically no wind up and the survivor cannot reaction dodge it at all. Nemesis is probably around average, while Xeno is within the top 10/15 of killers.

It's a shame, because otherwise Xeno is one of the more interactive killers on the roster with the Flamethrowers. Maybe they should add a windup to the tail like other killers, in exchange for increasing the range or smt. They could also reduce TR more while in crawler mode, since 24 meters is still a fair amount.

Xenomorph is an overrated killer, it is not that strong imo. The tail is dodged very similarly to the Nemesis tentacle and it has a massive cooldown. 3s in 1.2 m/s is massive, almost no other killer in the game is crippled like this. It does have a "wind up" before striking, it's just very short. If this killer could be dodged like any other killer then they would be no need for turrets. Nemesis is 0,35 and Xeno is 0,2, but Nemesis has less cooldowns, more range, better utility and better lethality. Xeno has more versatility tho. Yes, Nemesis needs to charge up and deplete vaccines, but the ressources are temporary, once Nemesis is at his peak, he is stronger than Xeno in chase. Alien has a way better early game (one of the best even) but it gets burned the whole game, turrets are infinite and they come with the motion tracker, it's way better than giving free hits in the early imo.

Xeno can be pre runned with the aid of motiontracker, running trough turrets will give you time, extending the chase significantly.

Flame turrets are free bodyblocks that will hinder the progression of the Alien no matter what because it will have to destroy them or lose it's power. And that's not even taking into accounts the skill ceiling around turrets (right now we are in the basement skill level, the vast majority of my matches are against the worst turrets ever, rarely i get a dude who is cracked against Xeno, that will place turrets well).

On the swamp, you have a spot where a turret can shoot trough a wall, a double turret WILL knock you out except if the turrets are really, really badly placed and turrets on hills are still very good if you pace well around them. Yeah it is a time investment, but there is 4 survivors and 1 Alien, you can obliterate the Xeno's momentum with good turrets, so use them.

Xenomorph is by no mean a weak killer, but it is very counterable, has a high skill ceiling and is very punishing to play.

Getting your power back by losing the chase is bad, making the xeno even more punished for getting burned would be horrible. The punishment is there, you have to either commit in bipedal or give up the chase. If crawler mode was harder to get, it would need to be way, way, way stronger than it is now, it is nowhere near the powerhouse level of Oni or Plague.

Moreover, it's mobility is also overrated, it's the coolest power in the game imo, but, it's something you have to walk to, then have an animation, then go where you want and then come out. It's not an instant teleport, you take time to do actually go where you want. It's good, really good even when rng is with you, but it's not so strong it ups Xeno strength by a wide margin imo. The many games where my stations are below the gen, in a corner or just in the wrong place is unreal, it really kill my mobility to have stations like this

In the huntress house, the station can spawn next to the house... Making the house very safe and your mobility useless, and that's not a rare occurance, it happens in every map, every time. Stations, Tv's and powers like this should have priority over chests. You either have insane or useless one.

Recently, i saw in one of Hens video this tier list, i don't know if it's his real tier list or just a placeholder but immediatly, i was surprised. He placed Xeno so low. It immediatly clashed with the "by default" opinion wich is "Xeno is A tier" pushed by almost everyone.

I don't know if i would place it below Nemesis and Clown like in this tier list, but i would definitly put it lower than A tier because it does not deserve it whatsoever. This killer deserves a buff, a normal buff, not a Billy double S+ buff. A buff on it's recovery speed or cooldown to make it less punishing. Release Xeno was an abomination, it was bugged, any killers with normal speed recovery would be OP.

Before you say it, no, this tier list is not a "the streamer said something so it's true", im just posting my source to not do the "Hens said it, trust bro". It's the first time i see someone place Xeno so low, and i think it's right, i would maybe put it higher but not by very much. (Xeno had the lowest kill rate on Nightlight for some time, it's not official stats, but it still means something).

So, back to the original topic, i think Nemesis and Xeno are really close in term of strenght, Xeno is very overrated and i would advise more people to actually play the killer, both to see it's strenght after a while and so i can see more of them because Alien is the best.

I would love an addon pass for nemesis. I would also love more zombies. It's disheartening that my opponents are annoyed/hate the zombies though :(

I like this, it's like defensive items from REmake and REmake 2!

Xeno is 100% the better killer there are so many reasons this is the case, His early game is not held back by the infection mechanic and tier system, 3 hits to down even with suvs getting less distance per hit at a bad time in the match can be brutal, zombies are inconsistent, Xenos gets map mobility, Xenos 24m terror radius in predator mode.

That said I think Nemesis is the more enjoyable killer and it is not even close.

Maybe, literally a thoughts dump over a cup of tea, but I'm not so sure it would be broken.

In the current game who honestly gets hit by one unless they take a deliberate hit to escape from Nemesis charging up his power, or if they get REALLY unlucky on something like Lery's? In all the games I've played Nemmy I've maybe seen 3 occassions a zombie scored me a down, and maybe 3 more times where a zombie scored a hit that was actually useful to me. So realisitically a grab would still be a rare thing, even with the red heads charging around, they are slow and still relatively easy to avoid (2 minutes a click is also a long time to create one, at best you're probably only getting 7 or so a game).

So the core idea is that zombies aren't really a threat as they are, just an annoyance that is very easy to avoid. The grab idea would be centered around the survivors making use of the zombie defense items to kill them, which would actually take up less time dealing with the zombie, but more time searching for and acquiring those items. You do have to mindful of resources, use them up and the red heads are coming…. and in the absense of items you have to start using a pallet. This ability to take one out and need to manage resources also makes zombies far more interactive rather than a dumb zombie you just walk around in a circle bored.

The grab meanwhile addresses one of Nemesis' biggest issues, which is that survivors can use zombies to boost away from Nemesis and at the same time deny him infection charges on his whip to tier up. Instead we make it so that if Nemesis hits the survivor while grabbed you can treat it like the zombie doesn't hit at all and it's just a free hit for Nemmy, whether he wants to chage whip or take a health state. If he waits out the zombie grab, then it's not really much different to the normal 1-2 punch you can land as is with zombies, just that being grabbed by a zombie is ALWAYS bad for the suirvivor instead of saving you a lot of the time.

It's also worth bearing in mind that the zombies get faster, so while they are dangerous, it's also easier to lead them somewhere you can kill them like a pallet, and if you have none, there is always one player taking them far away and then jumping in a locker to lure them away from generators while your ally works on them. There is also the fact that red heads can be indicated to Nemmy by a aura colour change, so he watch them in the corner of his eye as far better tracking than zombies currently are.

Overall they become more dangerous, feel like a threat, but are also easier to deal with, and much more interactive, which I'm sure you'd agree would be much more fun for both sides.

I just wish they would make him more lore accurate…

BRING OUT THE ROCKET LAUNCHER!!!

Putting Deathslinger above both Artist and Huntress is definitely a controversial choice.