DS buff should be reverted

Honestly the tools to prevent Tunneling should be in the Survivors not unhooking next to the Killer, or trying to take a hit after being unhooked. or waiting until the Killer is chasing someone else. Rather than punishing the Killer for playing the game.

Luckily the perk is nerfed next patch, cause bHVR could see it was too much.

To be fair, at no point do you have to get stunned by DS. You're always making the active choice to pick up someone you know was unhooked recently in those scenarios, and you could actively choose to ignore them instead.

You're always opting in to letting survivors bully you with DS. Just don't do that, lol.

True, my bad. I should have let the bodyblocker tank 2 hits, ruin my pressure on his teammate, then let him stay on the ground so that his teammates can come pick him up later.

Why don't I just give you guys a free gen?

Then you're either playing Nurse, or are not getting survivors that know what they're doing.

I'm talking about scenarios where you DO need to hit them. Any survivor with enough brains will absolutely manage to bodyblock you. Either on the corner of a loop, between 2 rocks or a doorway. You're going to have to hit. Then, the same situation will repeat. Two hit cooldowns against the unhooker will lose you too much distance for that chase to be worth anything, and you won't be able to pick up the one guy you did down.

You can tell if DS is still active by when you did the unhook but also generally if the survivor is teabagging you it’s because they want to activate their decisive strike.

The alternative is to have three dudes on generators while you're chasing the one survivor for a slightly shorter amount of time, so that's a good thing, not a bad thing.

It's undeniably more fun than resetting or playing it safe, especially if the killer takes the bait, which a lot of killers do. That's why survivors in general do it.

Eruption had not much to do with tunneling tho? You kicked the gens and down anyone, the gens explode. Tunneling just made that even easier. Thats why i think there is a need to reward killers for going against multiple people. Doesnt matter if there are times where some killer perks are strong and favour them a lot, tunneling will make those times even easier for them.

But what on those two situation i did describe on my last comment tho?

If no one is killed and there is only one gen left, for sure you can maybe still win without tunneling someone out, but you are giving survivors an advantage on purpose on that situation, as in the best case scenario one will be hooked, other unhooking, other being chased and the last one will be on the last gen, making it almost impossible to defend it.

And what on the other situation, if you just go into a chase with someone and other survivor gets unhooked, you hook the survivor you are chasing, go patrol gens, find the one who got unhooked, down him and get DS if you pick him? You were fore sure not tunneling at all.

I mean yes you can just slug the survivor just in case, but the question is, why you should do it? Why you have to respect an "anti tunnel" perk when you are not tunneling at all?

No. If anything, DS should be buffed even more and get a few extra restrictions. As an anti tunnel perk DS is not strong enough in my opinion. You give up one of your 4 perk slots in order to prevent the killer from tunneling or at least make it risky. 5 seconds was barely enough for the average survivor, much less 4 seconds.

However, I fully agree, that the aggressive use of DS should not be supported. Reading over past patch notes, it is pretty clear that DS is supposed to be an anti tunnel perk and nothing else. But running up to the killer and making yourself a meat shield for your team mate isn't actually the killer tunneling you.

This is why i propose a mechanic where a survivor does not loose a hook state if they are hooked multiple times in a row. They still need to get rescued within 60s or they will go to 2nd stage/die like normal though. So the killer basically cannot tunnel anymore but time-out a survivor if they get hooked 2x in a row. This mechanic should deactivate ones 2 Survivors are dead as well as during the EGC. Maybe it should also deactivate when you do a conspicuous action, so it can't be abused.

Then DS would not be needed.

I spoke about this in an ancient post. I was having a similar issue with bully squads and head on. However, 30 seconds of immunity may be too much and could easily be too much of a game changer. Instead, I proposed having a 3-4 second timelapse in which you are immune to stuns, detering bully squads from bullying you, as in that time you are able to move and avoid the second immediate stun or simply punish them for their toxicity.

The problem there lies in that the Survivors can't control the Killer's movement. I was running in the open, no pallet no windows, near a progressed gen, and the Killer still dropped chase to tunnel after unhook crossmap. The Killer always has a choice to chase the remaining 75% of the lobby, so punishing them for targeting 25% of the lobby is nowhere near punishing them for playing the game.

DS should be a 30s stun for Killer and Survivor at this point, and the Killer can always hit the tunneled Survivor after the stun. It would be more of a deterrent to needless tunneling than a 3/4/5s stun where the Survivor gets no meaningful distance. Alternatively if we are going to have a 3/4s DS, it should work after every hook stage.