Did they kill Pop?

In my experience it still good on high mobility/teleportation killers. Definitely took a hard nerf but still a pretty good perk

Because there are no other slowdown lok options, we have no choice but to take some of the ones that have been weakened by the most recent adjustments: Surge and Eruption are still hard to use because they are still punished by the 3gen system, and Undying & Ruin are disabled in the first 30 seconds of the game.You cannot take them with you because of the risk.

Again, many players just use them because they have no other decent slowdown options, so they have no choice. Especially if you try to use M1 Killer now, you will be out of the gate in no time without slowdown.

You guys already killed the entire survivor meta a long time ago. There's not much left to nerf. Pop is much stronger than it was the last time it was at 20 because of the changes to gen kicking and the nerf to gen tapping. You get more basekit regression with each kick and you will get even more regression after the kick since survivors can't tap gens anymore.

89 - 4.5 = 84.5 ; 84.5 * .2 = 16.9 + 4.5 = 21.4 charges deducted, nearly 24% total progress removed from a generator with 99% progress. (29.85 charges or almost 33% total progress removed with old Pop.)

45 - 4.5 = 40.5 ; 40.5 * .2 = 8.1 + 4.5 = 12.6 charges deducted, exactly 14% total progress removed from a generator with 50% progress. (16.65 charges or almost 18% total progress removed with old Pop.)

I'm sorry, but where are you getting these numbers from?

Pop was a high tier killer perk. Killer like trapper or pig rarely used the perk effectively. They dont have the time or the mobility to do this. On those killers surge is way better.

It is. Because you play m1 killer with Pig and combine with Stbfl. Funnily enough, the buff to her ambush is only coming into effect, when the survivor allows it, meaning they don't pre drop the pallet. If they just leave when you crouch, you need two specific addons to be able to get a hit. Without them, you will not reach them in a straight line.

Therefore, you mainly still play m1 killer, making surge the best perk for her. Don't get me wrong, you do get downs with the ambush. Buts it's not like Demo or Wesker, where you get the majority of downs with your power. You get a majority of downs with m1.

On top of that, surge has incredible synergy with Stbfl, which I still consider her best perk despite the nerf.

Last but not least, Pig is a killer with no map mobility. Therefore she has no time to waste ever. Surge is a passive perk that will slow down gens for you while you play. You don't need to kick gens at all. This also leads to her traps. A Gen gets damaged and starts to regress. Because of the trap, the survivor, that gets unhooked, will rarely go back to stop the regression but start to search the boxes immediately. This leady to the Gen regressing a lot more than against other killers.

You can if course have your own opinion on the topic, but I do think that surge is the best regression perk on her because pain res will only apply 4 times the match on one Gen only and for a killer that has very long chase times, this is just not good enough.

Yeah, who could have seen that coming? First they gave us 15 seconds less to use it, then they made it take off percentage of completion and not percentage of total, and then they still lowered that number. It's a fool's perk, just like most of the others.

I mean, the perk is doing its intended purposes and slowing the game down enough where the killer CAN win??? Isn't that the point of the perk????

Like, let's be real and use our brains for a second, it was given to us for a reason y'know.

If the perk is still being used + Killers are still winning with it regardless of its nerf = Not dead.

Not sure how much more simple it can get for you, I've never seen a killer win with no perks, that's practically a raw calling for them to get mixed; I'd give props to any killer that could win without any perks, but chances are they'd resort to proxy, slugging or tunneling; which y'know….doesn't really say much on their skill besides that.

Let's proof read what we type before posting it cause this is lowkey embarrassing; It's giving… " Just because killers win with it, doesn't make it good…" which is a very broad argument and can be used for PLENTY of things. 💀

I wouldn't say killed it, Pop wasn't a dead perk back when it was 20% of current progress either, and they've doubled the base progress loss on kicks since then as well as implemented the "5% until passive regression stops" mechanic, both of which makes kicking gens more attractive than it had been then.

13.5 seconds lost in an instant whenever you kick a gen that has 50% progress is not at all bad, and it only goes up from there. As opposed to many other slowdown perks, it's also very "targeted" regression: you can keep harassing a specific gen or set of gens of your choosing over and over again, especially if they are around the hook.

I think that it's good to shake up the meta every couple of months (unfortunately BHVR only vanishingly rare does), and Pop plus Pain Res were just too decidedly the most popular slowdown perks of choice. Ruin plus Pentimento for instance is a really good combo, all the more so now that you only very rarely have to worry about people booning your Hexes. Ruin was not only buffed to not disable itself anymore, but it has also collaterally gotten a higher standing since it can apply a ton of regression without incurring a singular "regression event". It also has the "healthy" aspect of encouraging the killer to spread the pressure to really get the most out of it. And Pentimento has always been a bit of an undervalued slowdown perk, in part I suspect because people don't really understand that it slowing down repair speed by 30% is more impactful than it increasing the repair time by 30%. This was true when gens were 80 seconds base and it is even more true now that they're 90: Pentimento does not cause a gen to take 30% of 90s longer to repair (which would be 27 seconds), it causes survivors to repair them 30% more slowly, increasing repair time by 38.5 seconds, totalling more than two minutes per gen. This can be downright debilitating to the survivors' ability to keep up a favourable pace of play, usually scrambling to try and get that Penti out of the match. So particularly if you are playing a killer that can protect the totem, you can leverage it to put yourself into a winning position off of that alone.

I will say that Pop is a bit lackluster now and especially so on lower-tier killers that can have issues getting many hooks and have to play off of those hooks more, and therefore could have done with some compensating buff, such as at least highlighting the gen with the most progress in the trial for as long as it as active. And I will further say that ideally, BHVR would buff slowdown perks to be a lot more impactful yet encourage more dynamic playstyles that don't revolve around camping and tunnelling. In the case of Pop, they could have made it so that it grants 30% regression on fresh hooks, 20% on second hooks, and 0% on death hooks. Or make it highlight the gen furthest from the hook that has progress, enabling the killer to apply 50% regression on that gen. Pain Res could also apply 20% on fresh hooks, 10% on second hooks, 0% on last hook. Or they could just pump up the numbers on them significantly, but disable them entirely once any survivor is sacrificed. A Pain Res that removes 50% of progress from the most-progressed gen in the trial could actually be perfectly fine if it did nothing once someone dies. Hell, they could even make that 50% of total rather than current progress in that case, meaning -45 seconds per proc. Ruin could be at 200% base regression again, albeit disabling itself once someone dies. Thanatophobia encourages spreading out the pressure and could do with notable number buffs, or making its numbers also apply to vaulting speeds, making sure that it is not overtuned on killers like Plague without however being undertuned on most others. Grim Embrace to encourage spreading out hook stages right off the bat could block gens for longer the earlier you get fresh hooks, such as 5 seconds per gen left at the time of the hooking (so 35 seconds if you hook someone at 7 gens left/0 gens repaired, 20 seconds at 4 gens left/3 gens repaired , and so on, down to 15 seconds if only 3 gens remain; in turn, it would not cause 40 seconds of blockage on the last fresh hook, but simply still 5 seconds per gen left standing). And so on.

Pop works best when paired with Tinkerer coz your always going to find a gen with high progress.

Should be twenty % total progress, not current

Tinkerer hasn't been worth it since it only goes off once.