Killer Tier List 8.00

Is slinger really that good?

Pretty good list. My changes would personally be:

• Doctor moves down to B tier from B+
• Clown & Slinger go down to B+ from A
• Unknown goes down to A from A+
• Chucky goes down to B+ from A+
• Billy goes down from S to A+

• Sadako and Pig above Ghosty.
• Freddy next to Trapper.
• Clown next to Nemesis
• Slinger next to Demo and Bubba
• Chucky a lot lower
• Billy and Spirit are not on the same level as Nurse and Blight

Rest I can more or less agree with.

i dont reallt think spirit is that good anymore, I think she’s middle A tier. I would move slinger to low b. Oni and chucky should swap places. Xeno is B. Just my opinion

I chose 3 killers I think you have underrated and 3 you have overrated in my opinion.

3 Killers I think are better than they have been placed:

Xenomorph: I think xeno is the most underrated killer he cannot be played around with turrets consistently because they are too slow to setup and give him passive info through a brown addon because every placed turret has to have been setup by a suv you can infer where people are using his brown addon to see turrets in tunnels. He has a 24m terror radius when his tail is up so he is harder to prerun when monitor and abuse can be used to bring it down to 16, He has mobility pre-setup where he can get to any gen very quickly and his tail is not something that you can play around the vast majority of the time.

Oni: even despite Oni's restriction that you need to get a hit to earn your power and will probably be aiming for 2 most games of different suvs at the start an oni in blood fury is as strong as anything in this game Bar Nurse. There is very little you can do if the Oni is good once he has his power so just because of that I would put him in A at least+

Dredge: I dont think he is a good killer but I easily think he clears all of the very bad m1 brigade so he goes straight above ghostface at least, Him map traversal gives him something that synergises with perks like make your choice and bbq and their are times you can force hits with his power im not here to say he is a good killer but he is in the mix with the lower mid killers at least as far are doctor, wraith and nemesis he dont hang with legion and freddy imo.

3 Killers i think are worse than they have been placed:

Vecna: The killer just is not strong enough to justify the strength of the DnD equipment for survivors half of it gives a steady stream of info making playing against stacks that are calling out your location miserable and the rest of it is way to powerful for what it is. I honestly think people right now are massively overrating him because he is new and the average players which 99% of your time playing as him you will be against does not realise the strenght of the item.

The shining light (as much as people may not like to hear it) is he is very good at forcing players out the game and tunnelling because even if 2 hits that are mage-hand-assisted takes too long because of his cooldowns just forced 1 hit on a unhooked guy is oppressive and the first player hooked is likely to have weaker items making him just a good tunneller.
Also because artifacts cannot be used when injured any artifact holder can immediately be tunnelled out the game off-hook from 2nd stage and killed on the floor.

Taking advantage of these things put him at the top of A but playing him in a way that nicer and he drops straight down to the bottom of B+ imo (I really don't like Vecna im am the rare vecna hater on this forum and i know I'm in the minority but this is why)

Singularity: EMP's can be used to cripple him and once a game gets out of his hands I don't think it's possible to bring it back without some major survivor slipups. Its just has to do with how many EMPs. Im not good at maths and its going to look a bit wordy so someone else could probably go find the info and

5 boxes passively printing take 100 seconds a survivor can speed that up by 4X making it take 20 seconds when an emp is taken from a box it starts printing and will have another in 100 seconds there are 4 survivors in a game if all 4 have emps 5 emps will be available in a max of 100 seconds bare in mind to complete a gen as a lone survivor from 0 to max charges it takes 90 seconds.

The best way to beat a singularity is to bully him out of the game get an emp first thing and drive by cleanse any survivor in chase if 2 survivors are doing this and one guy is on gens and every time he finishes a gen he drive by clenses the chased survivors slipstream you will win every time in a coordinated stack i have done it a few time with some friends he is a weak killer masquerading as a mid-tier killer. 95% of the time this wont matter but judging a killer off games i would have won on something like Ghostface is not how I judge what I think is good or bad how he feels in games I'm struggling in matters more and singularity flops hard on that test. low B+

Wesker:

imo Wesker does not compete in the tier he is in anymore since he is not a consistent free hit getter, his power has been randomly made worse which happened around the time of the UE5 change and blights collision hitboxes changed even though nobody talks about it (only few mentions I could find below)

https://x.com/crohmbs/status/1787937329379729481

He just feels worse than he use to but that's me being subjective i like to play wesker and he has been nerfed in the most recent patch on top of that mid A

Not really, such lists usually just assume max potential on the killer. So maximum skill ceiling reached.

Skull Merchant is sorta low (Put her in A tier if we're talking objectively.)

Chucky is too high (His Scamper got nerfed, and Slice/dice is hilariously dodgable, put him in B Tier)

Hillbilly is DEFINITELY too high. He's good but not better then bubba. High-mobility doesn't mean a thing if survivor can hug a rock and avoid the billy REFUSING to M1. (I am one of those survivors because both Billies and Bubbas couldn't M1 to save their lives.)

Vecna needs to be High-Tier A+, especially as he goes unnerfed as of this moment.

Bubba is too low for the ridiculous buff he was given (He was always a better billy TBH, A-Tier. )

Twins being lower than Artist and Plague is insane to me, especially given how they operate. (Equally as annoying as facing a skully, please put her higher then those two )

Xenomorph should be a tier higher for how absolutely BRAINDEAD it is for them to just M2 with little consequence and strike you through any pallet or vault given. (A+ Tier)

Onyro, Dredge and Legion being that low is a crime, especially for how easy it is for Legion to put on ONE perk and profit. (They all need to be in A-Tier.)

And the Singularity NOT being borderline S tier is insane to given how OPPRESSIVE he is.

I think every OTHER killer I haven't mentioned is okay, definitely could be better though.

whats sad is my favorite killers to play as are the lowest on here

why do you think Demogorgon is on same level as Leatherface?

The charge speed is reduced by 5% and only in Overdrive. Otherwise it's exactly the same as it was before. 5% of 2.5 seconds is 0.125 seconds. That's really not that big of a deal for something that only happens in Overdrive.

The movement speed while charging remains unchanged. It was 3.68 m/s and it still is 3.68 m/s.

His base movement speed also remains untouched. They gave his chainsaw a 10% speed buff from 9.2 m/s to 10.12 m/s and in Overdrive 13 m/s. You have a very audible clue for when that happens and you can also clearly see it because his chainsaw emits blue flames.

The curve window was increased from 0.75 seconds to 1.0 seconds. That's a 33% increase. It's a lot but not gamechanging.

He could go straight for 0.25 seconds before and still get the 90° turn. The difference is not as significant as you think.

Zigzag curves have always been a thing. The longer curve window doesn't do much when it comes to this part of his gameplay.

Curving itself wasn't changed and I have no idea what you mean about being easy now. It's still the exact same mechanic it was before. The difficulty didn't come from the 0.75 seconds turn window but from the highly increased sensitivity, which remains the same.

I already covered everything there is about Overdrive.

The cooldown before the rework was 3 seconds. Now it's 2.5 seconds. That's a 16.67% difference. It's noticeable but again not that crazy considering he was overly punishing before.

The bumping penalty is 2.5 seconds of moving at 1.84 m/s second and not being allowed to do anything else for that time. Again, he was overly punishing before, now he is pretty forgiving but still fair considering his counterplay.

He didn't really have limitations on his map mobility and power usage anyway. At least not for good players. They had already toned down overheat to the point it didn't do anything other than unnecessarily nerfing DriftKing Billy, which is a meme build.

Before you make such a list, at least fact check that stuff. About half of what you said is simply not true and the other half is grossly exaggerated. All of these things add up to a killer that is very strong, no doubt. But we are talking about a killer that was considered C-tier (sometimes even low C-tier) before and is now A-tier just behind Artist and Plague, making him the 6th best killer in the game. He has a lot going for him but he ultimately lacks these situations in which you simply go down no matter how good you play compared to those above him (unless of course you do what the survivors in that video did and give him absolutely free hits).

He kinda does require “mutation” though. If they’re awake his power does nothing. Where as Nemi still has a chase power even if they aren’t mutated with his pallet break.

Passive Oblivious is more of a detriment honestly since he has a lullaby anyway. All removing his terror radius does is make terror radius and stealth based perks completely useless on him.

I meant the shred... The post I quoted didn't even mention Billy... But crouching Billy also does a lot, he still has 2.5 seconds of cooldown after that, so as survivor you will most likely make it back to the pallet again. And apparently crouching Bubba is a also a thing and can make him hit a pallet instead...

You forgot about going close or going wide when trying to avoid a curve, making it around the corner is not that easy.

Ofc it is useful, but that alone does not suddenly turn him into a beast, you still need the overdrive to curve most things, there is a reason people ran double engravings and it is because it was basically required to curve most tiles... So 10% is not enough on its own to do that.

It offers the possibility to curve more tiles, sure, but his usual counterplay still applies, all it does is give Billy more options.

Curving is mostly about control, you need to have the skill to steer the right amount during the initial curve window, while all that stuff helps it does not suddenly become easy. There is a reason why Billy is the hardest killer in the game and the effort that goes into learning how to properly curve tiles is enormous.

His map mobility is a bit better, but I don't think that part matters too much... His mobility is still hindered by the same stuff as before, just as bit less because of the collision improvement.

I don't think the comp players put him in S tier... I'd argue they still think Blight and Spirit are better because crouch tech exists, without that maybe. He is really strong now sure, but he still has counterplay and you seem to forget the effort that goes into mastering him... It is only fair that the opposing side needs to put in is equal to the effort the killer player has to put in and if you argue a master Billy is too strong then you can only compare that to a master survivor player. Everything else is not a fair comparison... And before the changes nobody played him because he was the hardest killer to player and really weak at the same time... It is great to have more Billy's again :) his counterplay is still the same as before and it is fun, it is just that you won't get away as easy anymore, you are not as heavily favored as before.

Those buffs matter to his strenght, but they don't matter to his counterplay, because it is still available, working and effective if you do it right. You just cannot be as sloppy as before and get away and the Billy does not need superhuman precision anymore to have a chance to get a saw. I think that's fine.

Yeaah.. spirit shouldnt be that high anymore. She's gotten plenty of nerfs and she is good against new players and players without proper headset or hearing difficulties. Otherwise you can pretty easily tell where shes coming from and she can be countered.

Shes also gotten plenty of nerfs lately.

Wesker should be way higher.

Tier lists are kinda personal thing anyways people will never fully agree on these.

I’m like the #1 advocate for “Spirit is still a strong killer”. I’ve mained her since her release back in 2018 and I’ve been P100 with her for a year. She’s my golden child for killers, I love her.

But she’s nowhere near as stupid as she once was. Her old busted add-ons (MDR, Prayer Beads, green speed and duration, purple amulet), no collision while phasing, no directional audio are a thing of the past and make her more counterable. However you can use directional audio to your advantage at most loops and it doesn’t matter if they can hear you because you’re nearly double their movement speed and the collision doesn’t matter to good Spirit players and is actually a buff because she can’t be body blocked by aggressive survivors trying to use their endurance perks.

But she is cucked by god pallets and certain windows while Nurse just doesn’t care. Plus two story maps, Nurse is just a better option because it takes Spirit forever to traverse something like Midwich while Nurse can be wherever she wants. Not to mention Eyrie makes no footsteps so playing Spirit is hell on that map. Nurse is usually always gonna outperform Spirit. Nurse will outperform anyone on any given day.

Between Spirit and Blight honestly they’re pretty equal. Spirit can actually recharge her power quicker than Blight with certain add-ons, she suffer no fatigue or cooldown after an attack, and she has less counterplay. Both have insane chase powers. But I would still give a slight edge to Blight because of his map traversal and shorter base cooldown.

Now with Billy I just don’t see how he’s better than Blight or Spirit. He’s so much better now but his chase power isn’t as strong, he’s more counterable, he’s cucked by more maps, and he’s way hard to pick up and play. Billy is a great killer but not on Spirit or Blight levels.

Spirit is one of those killers that will make good survivors look average and average survivors look terrible.