Toxic Genrush

I swear these perks on both sides are just getting to be too much.

My only fear of this game ever dying is it being oversaturated and collapsing under the weight of all the perks.

Cote mentioned in an interview recently they can't test all combos before release as there are so many perks.

And they are just going to keep adding 3 per character.

We need a quality of life update and skip a chapter or two even.

"all the anti genrush perks received a nerf but the survi genrush perks did not receive any changes."

That's because survivors rarely use them. hyper focus and stake out can be absurdly powerful but no one use it due to how difficult it can be to get vaule. Hyper focus/stake out only good once u hit 6 stacks.… you even a god and rarely miss a skill check or the perk does barely nothing. You can't convince the devs to nerf perks with nearly no usage.

Built to last and street wise should get nerf (just BUILT mainly). This with a 32 charge toolbox is just nasty work.

Outside resilience, prove & deja vu no gen rush perk get use much. Prove been nerf and Deja vu increase is minor. Resilience shouldn't be cheese-able by 99ing a heal but that about it.

While I agree that three of these four examples are good examples of genrushing, it's not the perks that enabled it. Leaving Gabriel out since he was the one who just had some gimmick perks that are perfectly manageable (and honestly kind of bad) on their own, let's do a little thought experiment with the remaining three examples.

Are they doing their generators any faster if we take away their item?

Nea and Renato have a small boost to their gen repair because they're running Deja Vu (I think?), but Deja Vu on its own is only a six percent boost specifically to the 3-gen. Not bad by any stretch, but hardly genrushing.

Kate, though, only has one perk that relates to generator repair at all, and that makes generators go slower overall. Clearly, without her item, Kate here has an anti genrush build.

Those builds are genrush builds, but it's because of the toolbox. Stacking together all the possible gen repair perks that don't make gens actually go slower (like Prove Thyself and Friendly Competition) wouldn't equal half of what a toolbox build can give you, not even close. It's Built To Last + Streetwise with the toolbox that makes these genrush builds, and if our Gabriel here had been running a toolbox instead of a medkit, his gen repair speed would've shot up exponentially too. Remove repair speed from toolboxes (replacing it with something else, ofc), and genrush disappears overnight.

EDIT: also, it's really not toxic, it's just a balance problem.

I'll take survivors who rush all the gens and instantly leave over survivors who rush the gens and then tbag and noise spam at the gate any time.

The first challenge for survivors is to finish 3 event generators, so most survivors are trying to get it done asap.

Honestly, the survivor rift encourages this. As does the playstyle of many killers. The meta has been finish the gen as soon as possible before it's hit with scourge, pop, grim, or jolt. Now that ruin was completely reverted it's making a comeback too. Tunneling/proxying playstyle along with perks like deadlock also necessitate fixing gens expediently. It doesnt make it fun for the killer. But on the other hand I dont see killers taking it easy when gens are slow, so why go slow? Chaos shuffle was the best time to play this game. Whatever meta gets nerfed a new one will emerge.

Considering this Anniversary is a separate "mode" altogether, why bother (BHVR that is) making an Anniversary Mode with "normalized" generic gameplay the main mode already is?

Anniversary Mode should had been no hooks no gens. And a completely different objective. Since Considering it's supposed to be a " Fun Festival "

I can completely understand this from the devs perspective. But I feel like when there is a synergy that's detrimental to the game they leave it too long, and that's the problem. Like the gen kick meta was left for way too long and, imo, the game hasn't been the same since then. It honestly changed the way the game is played and the expectations players have, particularly for those players who started playing in that time. They entered during an anomaly, not realising that that was not how the game was intended to be played (per the devs own words). Yet it was left for like 9 months, presumably because the devs didn't have the time and resources, and the bandwidth probably, to make adjustments.

But so many players use that era as a sort of baseline for what the game should be like. Gen regression builds weren't the norm before then, for example - you'd see maybe 1, max 2, in a build among other perks. The gen kick era spawned the whole "4 regression perks are necessary" argument, because (again IMO) people view that era as the norm and expect or want the same results.

Pretty sure this would be considered toxic for people who says tunneling is toxic

both is untrue though

Honestly, I feel survivors are getting far less credit than killers, if anything killers seems to be generally overrated anywhere

Probably due to bigger number of survivor players but still

It's not toxic anymore than tunneling isn't toxic. It's called being efficient. And there's nothing wrong with getting a 2k in this meta; that's the result the devs want killer to have. Oftentimes, that's the result I have to settle for. Either that, or go all-out risky slug at the last second, the failure of which is usually a 1k or 0k.