Corrupt intervention should be base kit by now

I mean, I get this and understand this data in general, but from where I'm standing, the problem is that the solution you want to apply for high level problems applies to all levels of the game.

A fair portion of the userbase, if not most of them, will agree the game becomes survivor sided at high MMR and against comms. But the opposite is true at low levels, where survivors are more inefficient, don't know how to run tiles, waste resources, etc. The killer can already compete very well under those conditions - and data backs that up, because kill rates are higher at low MMR (iirc it was 38% escape rate as a low MMR solo vs 48% high MMR SWF?)

I have no qualms about giving the killer free corrupt when they load in against a 4stack with 4 BNPs, hyperfocus, overzealous, prove thyself, stake out, etc, but giving the killer free corrupt when they're up against 4 confused potatoes or even 4 mid-tier solos is not fair. And Corrupt is extra nasty in this regard because baby teammates are already bad at doing gens. When they can't find a gen at the start of the game, they're prone to wandering aimlessly and open chests or just hide. Solo queue is hard enough as it is when bad teammates are making minimal contributions, much less no contributions.

So while I do think gen speeds can be a problem, I think the way to address this is to either nerf the tools true genrushing SWF have, toolboxes and their perks and maybe even increasing inefficiency penalty… or, because all of those things on their own are quite weak (except BNP/commodious), to bridge the gap between solos and SWF to reduce their relative information advantage and then buff killers/nerf gens uniformly. But just buffing killers because things are bad at high MMR doesn't work - you shift the problem somewhere else. We saw this in patch 6.1 and it was utterly miserable to play before they rebalanced things and nerfed some of the meta killer perks at the time.

I suppose another idea would be to modify gen speeds based on MMR and number of grouped survivors, but that kind of system would require extensive testing.

When a survivor get hooked then the other automatically get hooked . I like this buff already.

Its the toolboxes, not the perks. A Brown toolbox works better than Provethyself. Most survivors' Gen perks require to do something else but Gen.

I think toolboxes now should just give skill check only. And double the charges, so you relied on your great skill checks to boost the progress.

Can we please stop with the false line of thinking that buffing Gen defense will reduce tunneling/camping. It won’t. It will incentivize it because now people who want to tunnel/camp have more time to do so.

Nice tribalism….

Guess some things never change.

Corrupt is a perk that COULD be basekit in a version of the game, where tunneling is punished heavier, hoookspreading is rewarded and Blight / Nurse are reworked to be weaker.

Why is this perk not basekit right now? Because ti would make some killers go way above what a survivor team can handle.

For alot of killers its mandatory, but top tier killers they dont need it.

I mean, even as a survivor main I would not entirely be against this. Early game is pretty crucial for killer and slowing it down even a small bit can be a massive help.

I would rather this than any more literal regression perks like Jolt or Pain Res, as I find getting a gen I am working on constantly regressed absolutely infuriating at times and I would ultimately like to see far less of this rage inducing mechanic. Doing a tedious task like gen repairs over and over on the same gen is not my idea of fun

Ok how is corrupt intervention even supposed to be used? I have this weird belief that it's supposed to be used to assist you in actually setting up a build. But very often I only see it in builds with gen slowdown. And within those builds the killer loses it within 60 seconds anyway. Any time I personally use it, I'm using it to set to up a build on totality. I'm using it to hit and run and set up something that I'm planning to snowball later, how is everyone else using it?

How much more crutches do you average skill level killer players need to be satisfied?

Corrupt is useful on killers who have to set up before they start chasing survivors - Trapper and Hag with their traps (who want to focus on one part of the map anyway), Singularity with pods, Demo with portals (though Demo can play just fine placing them as he goes, he's not so reliant.) Plague can also use it very nicely because basekit her infection doesn't last long enough to keep all gens tagged, but if she reduces the number of active gens from 7 to 4, she can keep them all infected and get some information on survivor locations on top of that.

In other cases, though, Corrupt makes the survivors relocate from their starting position. Might get you some good timewaste on an indoor map with variable gen spawns like RPD or Lery's, and newbies will short out completely, but for the most part it gets you 15 seconds before survivors are on gens again. It decreases the amount of space the killer has to patrol and technically makes survivors easier to find, but sometimes the whole survivor team will respond to it by just hiding for the first 120 seconds of the game and doing bones or boons on the dead side of the map.

I'd like to see this as a new game mode and experiment from there, but on its own there's a few things it has to consider - it further advantages SWF over solo (say you're carrying a part and you see another part, you can tell your team that if you're on comms, otherwise nobody knows anything, and you might get chased before you can go back and get that second part.) The other thing I'm not sure about is how chases and especially tunneling affect this - if I'm carrying a vital part for a gen and the killer won't get off me, this potentially presents a problem to the team.

It would also make survivors harder to find in general, since they're spending more time searching in unpredictable parts of the map as opposed to actually on the gens. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it is very different to the current gameplay loop.

I won(/win) the vast majority of my games both before and after the gens speeds swapped from 80s to 90s. It literally is a 'skill dif git gud' problem for Killer barring maybe Trapper and Myers for most people. Tunneling causes weak Killers to think they have skill, then once they reach top MMR where they are just as strong as the weak link, they lose since they lost their crutch.

In general I agree, but I think at least the Green and Purple genspeed toolboxes should still provide a bonus. Maybe a static -50%, that way the normal 50% becomes skillchecks only (without add-ons), but the Green and Purple become 25% and 50% respectively.

Also Hyperfocus should probably not work with Toolboxes and be the Autodidact of gens. Although if we did a toolbox mixup like this it might be overkill to do both.

Yeah and that would be my only real objection, I would like to see some compensation if this did happen

gen speed is absolutely problem. SWF is really what shows this problem more then anything. you have games as killer where you hook someone 1 minute, 2 minute, 3 minute, 4 minute, 5 minute. aka 1 minute per hook and you lose all 5 gens.

The fact that you have this as a game as killer is alarming. It is even more frustrating when it happens on maps where you have 0 CHASE input. Badham is great example of that. breaking ton of god pallets in early game only to lose so badly in gen efficiency is awful. especially for low tiers killers.

spread out isn't an issue. it is just expected gen speed. there is nothing at base-kit for killer that push-back gens for doing well. You can play chases very crappy and win. The only time killer push back is gen defence perks like Pain res+Grim embrace but this creates another problem which is…. killer having 0 perk variety. If you have to run 4 gen defence perks and proxy camp in case you get SWF that does gens in 6 minutes, that's not exactly interesting. The spreading out problem is countered by 3 gen but as we saw in old meta of 3 gen kick perks, this is not fun solution for survivor. that is why it got nerfed. a solution should be provided where killer goes for chases and when he wins chases, he doesn't lose 5 gens in 5 minutes or 6 minutes. These gen-rush's should be happening when i make mistake with my ability for long chases make poor game choices or make macro decision errors.

you just don't notice the issue because 60% of games are 4 soloq players that often crumble with few injuries and basic map presence. poor play makes you believe that killer has no gen problems or chase problems for that matter. lots of survivor don't loop that well even when it is like gideon or some map filled with good resources in said area.

Seeing as survivors will be forced to work on a generator really close to the killer, or wait 120 seconds; they might just alternately just do other interactions instead of putting them in guaranteed danger. This counter is already somewhat known but making it basekit will literally do nothing but encourage it.

Respectfully, as someone who plays both sides, and plays swf and solo equally, this is a horrible idea. While killers in higher MMR tend to struggle more, that is not majority of the player base. Survivors in lower-medium MMR range continue to struggle against the full aura or gen build killers who slug or camp and tunnel most games, and can maybe get two gens done before they're down to the las survivor. If you think corrupt should be base kit, just run corrupt. The problem isn't the base gen speed, it's the additional this survivors can bring in. The problem with buffing one side and significantly nerfing the other is that the other side will always be raging about it until they get a compensating buff, which just turns into a cycle of everyone getting back and forth nerfed then buffed. If anything, nerf the items that increase the gen speeds. Getting a gen done in 20 seconds is kind of ridiculous, but corrupt won't stop that.