When is BHVR going to do something about tunneling and camping???

Problem is, it's just the gameplay loop. That's it.

The devs have not done anything to change how the game is played, only altered how it plays.

I do take the L. Hell when I’m def we all either DC or die on hook so we can move on to a match that isn’t tunneling and camping. Like my goal in dbd is to have fun. Winning is not a requisite of achieving that. And if I have to lose 10000 matches in a row to get down to an mmr where killers play to enjoy themselves and not like they’re in a tournament. I will happily do so, and continue to do so. So long as I have fun during it.

And yes. When your friend is being camped and tunneled, that affects everyone within that group. Most friends like it when their friend is having fun, and dislike it when they aren’t. Especially when their now negatively effected mood is effecting the goofy positive mood they had.

The same is for killer. I don’t care about winning. I want to have fun. I play killer to meme and jumpscare and it’s amazing. The post game chat is fun too. Why? Because neither side is being toxic or playing in an unsportsmanlike manner.

The problem with DBD is dedicated killer mains and dedicated survivor being so obsessed with total victory that they sap out the enjoyment for themselves and everyone in the match. You will not get anything special for the 4k or 4 escape. You will not get anything for having high mmr, nor would anyone even know what your mmr is. Y’all need to chill. It’s a video game. You won’t be disowned if you relax a little.

I would remove ability to fully remove players from the game:
1. Trial should have time limit.
2. Hooks makes survs immobilized and usless for some time or untill someone unhooks them; Mories removes survs for some more time without ability to help them.
2a. If hook time is up, Entity removes surv from hjook, to a random place at least 30m away from killer.
3. After times up, either survs done their objectives and escapes as a team, or they failed and are sacrificed (good if whole trial is in nighttime, with slowly rising sun untill end of trial times, so that survs can be dead by daylight)
4. Rebalance of objectives of course, with abiulity to introduce new objectives.

Honestly I'm getting so sick of this game now. I normally play solo q or play duo with my friend occasionally, we aren't toxic, we don't use flashlights or tool boxes or bm the killer and EVERY single killer plays like thier mom's life is on the line if they don't 4k quickly as possible.

The devs don't care about the state of the game. The bp bonus is on survivior 90% of the time where I am which indicates to me that survivors are switching to killer or just leaving the game but I don't blame them.

Maps are getting smaller with pitiful loops and survivors are told "just don't go down" yeh sure let me loops this crappy pallet in the middle of a deadzone for 10 minutes.

What do you mean by that? What pressure and reason yoiu hae right now in game? To win or loose, with chases and gens in between. Is there something else? Is premature death what gives you reason to play?

I think alot of people are getting burned out to be honest. I miss when dbd wasn't so serious and stressful

never, they don't care lol

Killers would still camp if each gens took 5 minutes each to do. That's why you see camping and tunneling at 0 gens done. You don't need all survivors dead before all gens are done. You just need to kill the survivors before they leave the match. The difference is applying proper pressure and not going after one person sitting by the hook. The best games are when it's close on each side, not the killer having 3 survivors dead before anything gets done and it shouldn't be encouraged or rewarded which is currently is.

Well I mean that's the point of the Deadlock+No Way Out Build. You can simply feign that you are playing normally long enough that it no longer becomes possible to have more than 1 person escape. Also if the first down is quick enough, you don't even need to fake it.

The raw gen time is 5*90s, or minimum 450s, this can be extended further by hooking the 2nd Survivor near a partial gen, or 0-89s extra added, for an average of 45s, now up to 495s. Deadlock adds an extra 25*4s, for 100s extra, and sets us to 595s. Finally with No Way Out, it will add minimum 36s from 2 hooks. That brings us to our final total timer of 631s.

From 631s, 3 Survivors get to work the first hook uninterrupted for 90-120s each, depending on if they genb4fren or check for a rescue. That subtracts an average 105s*3 for 315s from the total timer down to 316s. Then the 2nd Survivor is camped over 120s, giving the last 2 Survivors 120s*2 240s (assuming now they learned and the Killer doesn't leave), giving us 76s remaining (36s of which is NWO). The third is now hooked against 1 Survivor, which can't rescue against a Bubba. It is either a trade, or a double kill. The only way for Survivors to beat this is by running juicy toolboxes, or hitting a metric ton of Great checks.

This isn't even taking into account making the 3v1 a death spiral, where Bubba downs and hooks the 3rd Survivor by the time the 4th Survivor rescues the 2nd. This makes all the Survivors either die to hook stage attrition, or by having 2 on hooks at the same time and the final unable to pump gens fast enough.

In my soloq experience, any Bubba intentionally camping gets a minimum 2k. That is like you said though, (restated my way) because people have basic human empathy and want their fellow players to enjoy the game.

Now part of this camping strategy uses tricks like going after the 'stealthy' Survivor from Lethal Pursuer, (the one who crouches behind a rock on TR) by walking diagonally nearby until they are effectively deadzoned. Bamboozle ensures no chases (be it a failed start, or subsequent chases) take meaningful time. You also don't literally facecamp (or chokepoint camp now) from the onset, you fake it being a real match to lure in a rescuer or two, making it seem like you are only there because they are. All these tricks combined ensure a minimum 3k in 99% of matches.

It's not 5*90s - I accounted for that in the math "105s*3 for 315s" so the first camp gives the Survivors ~315 gen seconds, with an average 105 real time seconds per Surv. Deadlock delays this timer for the 25*4, and No Way Out delays this timer for the 36s (real time). I laid it all out, so did you just skim the post?

Not accounting for the time when the 4th(/1st) person hasn't been found yet - That's what Lethal does, account for all Survivors. This only doesn't work against a full lobby of Distortion, because you can still get information from a 2 1 split as 1 person having Distortion, and the Distortion rat being with the 1 Survivor.

3 Survs finish their gens and get to work on more - Only 2 are working gens at that point, because even the quickest gen (90s) delays another gen with Deadlock to take 115s, and the third would be on hook because the Bubba can seek out a gen completion Surv, or a Deadlocked Surv, whichever their game sense directs them towards. Again, accounted for in my math.

Your post not accounting for gen speed boosts - Mine gave an acknowledgement: "The only way for Survivors to beat this is by running juicy toolboxes, or hitting a metric ton of Great checks.". To be fair, I didn't mention perk speed boosts, but most of them are so bad that people don't bother running them. Only BTL on a juicy toolbox is really worth the time for a single reload in this scenario. (The 2nd and 3rd reloads are good if you are combining the perk with another locker perk, or need to hide in a locker to avoid the Killer while reloading the toolbox.) Deja Vu saves ~5s per gen, so even in my estimate that only saves 25 total seconds, well within the final 76s - 36s from NWO, or 40 gen seconds left after the final camp death, leaving 15 gen seconds instead.

If we could extend gen times Killers wouldn't feel the need to camp/tunnel - This is false. I played under the old 80s gens, and anecdotally there was far less tunneling and camping. What happens is skilled players don't care if they lose as they have nothing to prove, and unskilled players do anything they can to win because they have everything to prove. That means a realistic 2000 MMR Survivor is dying to a 1650 MMR Killer trying to rescue into a facecamping Bubba/perma T3 Myers/other instadown Killer. Eventually the actual 2000 MMR Survivor and actual 1650 MMR Killer swap MMRs to have a 1650 Surv and 2000 MMR facecamping Bubba. In addition, since methodology is ignored in MMR, only K/E, we also get Survivors artificially inflating their MMR with Meta loadouts, and lose to equal skill Killers who run non-Meta loadouts (as in my case of >74% winrate before gens are popped).

Same issue with a Killer who camped out an extra free kill, artificially inflating their MMR, and thus fighting better and better opponents. These better opponents don't care about escaping, until they reach the tippy top of MMR, where both sides are sweating as if their Mom's life was held in the balance for the $5 Subway card they are fighting over. At that point, weak Killers and Survivors are actually going against players who understand AND use the counters to camping/tunneling/genrushing (aka genb4fren), and think they need to put more weight on the crutch and break it, resulting in more losses.

Just like when camping 3-gen Killers complained about getting hit by the mechanic, not realizing they were crutching on 3-genning as their only means of winning. I saw people on these forums post videos kicking a gen with no gen perks while they could see the Survivor 6m away, and wondering why the Survivor got so much distance, and the gen hit the regression limit (after the 5th time of them doing the foolish kick while Survivor visible, and 3 non-foolish regression events).

Aside not responding to a specific claim - One thing I didn't explain/account for, is travel/chase time for both sides. Some maps you can run 5s to get to another gen, or 20s. Some maps you can chain every pallet together and actually survive the first chase long enough to make the strategy useless. Sometimes a proper Lethal Pursuer play negates the Survivor's chances entirely (as you can get a double down or more and camp both or only one). These roughly equal each other in equal skilled matchups. Sometimes you get the map with bad gen spawns, and sometimes you get the god loops chained in your favor. Typically Lethal carries Killers hard if they have enough gamesense, almost more than NWO, and sometimes, you simply NEED Bamboozle to prevent a free triple vault window. Using all the tools appropriately is what made me able to consider it a 99% winrate (3k+) strategy.

I doubt they'll actually do anything significant about it in the near future. The anti-camp method they have today is already massively undertuned, requiring a killer to practically be on the hook with you to trigger.

They just buffed DS, healing perks, iron will and baby sitter. I think they are trying.

Makes me wonder, have you even played survivor at all? The way you viciously attack "survivors" sounds like you haven't got a single clue.

Do you know how hard it is to sneak up to something that someone is fervently guarding? It's pretty damn hard.

I play both sides of the game, but even when I try to play survivor intelligently and not just blatantly run at the hook, trying to be stealthy only gets so far.

Killers who shamelessly camp know exactly what they are doing, and they are hoping, or expecting, someone to come to one exact location. When this happens, and the killer is just hard proxy camping, the best that stealth ever really gets you is a free hit for the killer AFTER the unhook, whereas "not having a 2nd braincell" means the survivor going for the rescue gets hit before the rescue, and then it's just a completely losing trade.

If a killer is camping and I must just do gens, they get a draw just for babysitting the hook. Noed and they can get 3 even 4k.

I'll go for unhook with camping tier 3 Myers as them having an add on doesn't justify their win.

Normal. Companies create problems then sell solutions for said problems.

All perks should be unlockable for free, characters should be payed. Otherwise it's p2w