About the gen bug

Good soloq survivors are very capable of bringing the killer on long chases and getting gens done. The problem you are conflating with soloq is matchmaking prioritizing queue times rather than skill. Which leads back to the problem you are having being a skill issue rather than an actual issue.

It only matters when someone gets tunneled, aka most matches because you have to do it. I mean, you don't have to do it, but it's your funeral.

But I do feel like survivors are playing a sliver less efficient because they know they'll get carried by the 2nd gen popping. It doesn't make killer matches any less sweaty though.

Both this bug and the survivors not getting base BT bug need to be fixed immediately, because folks this is not acceptable.

Pretty good game I had here.

By your logic then people that abuse anti tunnel perks and bodyblock with bt in order to deny a new chase with the survivor who did the save should be punished too... Same for people that tunnel generators... Again all of you keep thinking new ways of punishing the killer without giving valid alternative options... This is the things that honestly piss me off more about the people in this forum... I get it, being tunneled out of the game early isn't fun, but you can't pretend that the killer won't do It unless you'll give and incentive to play in another way... If you keep punishing players for how they will play, sooner or later you won't have players left...

What we have now is basically the old hatch system, but with the exit gates. It felt real bad before scrambling with a super close game just for it to suddenly end with 3 survivors taking hatch... but at least THOSE games required a key.

Probably not going to be a popular thing to say but like others have said, it punishes killers for completing their own objective. Like it or not, fun or not tunneling is part of the game, it's a legit tactic that makes logical sense to win the game. (Get the kills before gens are complete) There are perks available to counter tunneling.

Another unpopular thing... It's like saying, if a survivor loops for too long they add back a generator that needs to be fixed. Like it or not, fun or not looping is part of the game and is a legit tactic that makes logical sense. (Distract killer so others can do gens so all can escape) there are killers designed as anti loopers to counter it. Would be punishing survivors for completing their own objective just like this bug is doing to killers.

Just saying, if this method is applied to killers it has to be applied to survivors too for balance.

It would be a poor design and as others have pointed out, would lead to a rapid drop in Killer players. There are plenty of tools in the game already for the Survivors, as a team, to make use of in regards to tunneling. Most of these tools weren't around for years and teams managed to get by. What I have noticed is that every time they add another base kit or perk option against tunneling, Survivors become more and more self-oriented. They don't go out of their way to take chases, hits, or play much as a team. It seems as if most Survivors today feel that the Killer should be chained to a tree so they can run around it taunting. How is it Survivors got by without all this help before? Why is it no matter how many things they add, Survivors just demand MORE? For the record, I play both Killer and Survivor. I've been around since year three of the game. I don't have many posts here because I came to find out about the Generator Bug and created an account to comment on it. Survivors already have MORE THAN ENOUGH to deal with the things Killers throw at them. At this rate, Behavior better get cracking on improving those Bot Killers because something will eventually give.

While it would be a nice way to dissuade killers from tunneling and getting a survivor out as fast as possible (this has been the best strategy to win since the birth of the game), it's addressing a symptom of the problem and not the problem itself. The problem is it is way too easy for the game to turn in the killer's favor, and once that happens, there is almost nothing the survivors can do to turn the game around at that point.

There needs to be more catchup mechanics for survivors. Killers are able to do simple non-perk and non-ability related plays that simply provide too much pressure for them. Want to get a free health state? Walk back to the hook after 10-20 seconds of leaving because another survivor has already begun to rotate to get the unhook. Want to generate free pressure? Start tunneling a survivor and slug them. At least 2 survivors will come and make an altruistic play to try and save their teammate. This gen bug is the closest thing we will ever get to a decent catchup mechanic.

Killer apologists will tell you that "oh well you just don't like the game so you shouldn't be playing," but that really isn't it. There is a focus to hold every killer's hand like we're walking them to preschool. "We've got to make sure that the killer gets at least two kills per game or they might stop playing killer!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Honestly at this point, anyone can auto-pilot their way to at least a 3k on killer if they have minimum game sense and a functioning frontal lobe. All people are asking for is a fair chance to win the game. A survivor shouldn't be placed into a match as fodder for the killer player's fun because a bogus and ambiguous spreadsheet told the people making balance decisions that 60% kill rate felt "just right."

tl;dr: The issue is killers can easily turn the game into their favor using very easily executable strategies, and it is almost impossible for most survivor teams to recover, regardless of skill level. The solution would be to reduce this to a significant degree where good players on both sides can make conscious plays that would affect the overall state of the match.

You can feel that way, but the reality is it's not true. The fact a blight main could achieve a 1900+ win streak and was only stopped because comp players were stream-sniping them and running the most OP builds shows just how near impossible it is for survivors to win against a killer who abuses the snowball nature of the killer role and knows what they're doing. The fact is that most killers can tunnel without running any perks, but a survivor MUST make their whole build around not getting tunneled is such a ridiculous double standard.

To be fair a survivor can loop without perks or items. It's the same thing. It's a tactic that can be used. If a killer wants to counter the loops then they are forced to go anti loop killers. If a survivor wants to counter a tunneler then they should use perks.

You make it sound like it should be 50 50 but fact is it's a 4 v 1 game so the numbers are already in the survivors favour.

Tiles have been getting worse and maps are getting smaller. Pallets are becoming weaker and windows are becoming nonexistent. Just because a map has 2 god pallets the killer has to stop and break doesn't mean it's OP when the rest of the map is unusable.

The issue with your statement is a survivor cannot tell if a killer is going to be a tunneler or not. By your logic, every survivor should run 4 second chance perks every game since they can't tell whether or not they're going to be tunneled. Why have 100+ perks if only 6 are going to be used? The killer is allowed to swap to Franklin's if they see a lobby with 4 toolboxes. The killer is allowed to swap to Lightborn if they see 4 flashlights. The killer can dodge a potential losing game for them if they don't like how the lobby looks in pregame. You cannot tell me with a straight face that that is fair lol.

Killers use the 4 man SWF scapegoat as if every match they play is against 4 comp players. Just because the survivors have 4 people and the killer has 1 does not mean that on average the relative power each survivor player combined has over the outcome of the match is anywhere near comparable with the killer player's total power and sway over the match.

Killers were worse back then. You're forgetting the mountain of buffs killers got in 6.1.0. Kicking speeds are faster, stuns are shorter, hit cooldows is shorter. Bloodlust timers have changed. Gens went from 80 to 90 seconds. Pain res was added, pop was buffed, corrupt intervention was added, no way out was added.

To say the game has not changed to the point where it's incompatible to compare it to dbd from 2018 is not a good faith argument.

Also, despite what most killers think, the 10 seconds base kit bt changes nothing in 90% of circumstance unless the gates are open and the hook is right next to the open door. I've seen every killer count to 10 and then down the survivor if they realize off the record isn't in play. A survivor has to run to a window within that 10 seconds and force the killer to m1 them with the endurance still up to get any value, but since maps are getting worse, finding a pallet or window within 10 seconds of your hook is almost impossible since you most likely used those resources while looping before you went down. Borrowed time the perk is still required to have any sort of fighting chance off hook.

Potential energy is an awful perk that can only store 20 charges at a reduce rate, and all charges are lost upon losing a health state. If a killer is patrolling a 3 gen, the perk is useless. Make it so the charges are capped at 90 and only upon going down do you lose them, and I will agree with you.

Killers were worse, those are the facts and are not really up for discussion. What you're talking about is the general feel of killer strength vs survivors, and that is more relative and based on personal experience rather than fact.

It is a workable Perk, and one I use all the time. You see here is the little dance. Nothing is ever enough for you. Someone points out you have a tool, and you immediately complain about it. Somebody points out ugly truths about the loss of modern teamwork in Survivors, and you brush it off. Most GOOD Players play Killer and Survivor. Most GOOD Players know you are just a lot of hot air. The game will never be perfectly balanced, but it is in a pretty good place when bugs aren't shaking the apple tree. I just thinks PLAYERS (not Killers or Survivors) need to be more honest with themselves. You are here to argue that you need MORE MORE MORE! I'm like, when is it ever enough?

True the lobby screen is a bit informative for a killer but killers don't get to see if they are going against a group of swf so killer doesn't know how well the communication or team play is going to be so survivors do have that going for them I suppose and a killer doesn't know if the survivors are going to loop until the match starts so doesn't know if anti loop killer is needed or not.

I'm not saying things should be equal, I don't think they should. Survivors were always ment to be the underdogs, fighting to survive and escape. The whole concept of running circles around a pallet is a joke. It's a horror game that has become a rip off scooby doo sketch with a killer chasing a survivor in circles. Survivors have the choice to play stealth, lose line of sight, hide scratch marks, bust out gens reasonably fast. But they usually decide to loop so I go into matches prepared for it. Annoying really because it means most killers are pretty much redundant just like most perks for survivors.

I have played too many matches where survivors loop and even deliberately try to get my attention so others can do gens. That's why I pretty much tunnel most of the time. It's a means to counter the survivor meta of looping. If people were more stealthy, lost line of sight I wouldn't tunnel.