Going back and forth on a slug is bannable?
I noticed that it is a trend to "roast" on the other player such as teabagging, pointing and such. But meanwhile provocation like a t-bag is to get the "heat" as a strategy, is other things unsporstman?
Like hitting people on hook, slugging and "fking" (the back and forth) until the last second, just to hook and extend as long as possible the roasting?
Im curious because this started a discussion on the FB group, with some people saying its bannable, or not bannable, or depends. I do not see anything bad with nodding and roasting a bit tbf
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It’s not bannable.
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why would it be bannable
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No.
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Unfortunately the devs refuse to acknowledge the "sexual harassment"-movement of killers as ingame harassment cause its "just movement" though it has absolutely no gameplay relevance.
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it’s cringe but it’s not bannable.
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Not bannable, but pretty cringe. And a Killer who does that has no right to complain about teabagging.
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Not bannable and no reason to ban it because it'd cause more issues then it'd fix.
If it was banned then killers would just do it from the front. That gets banned? Side-to-side, in a circle, infinity sign, from far away, etc. It would just spiral down and then you'd have an uproar over survivor BM since killer BM got banned.
It's important to not be overly defined on the rules as that starts to create a line and once you have a line people will get as close as they can without crossing. It's the same reason there is no designated time limit for survivors hiding or killer body-blocking someone.
People who see it as legit SA need to take a step back. Just like tbagging isn't SA neither is humping. They're both cringe-y at times but at the end it's just simple BM.
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To call that sexual harassment seems like an insult to actual victims.
Its nothing more than ingame BM.
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Sexual harassment it is - plain and simple. You don't need to get physically violated to experience sexual harassment (there's a different word for that one…) — It's similar to someone sending you eggplant emojis over and over again - and you not being able to stop them or block them. Would you say "they just sent an emoji" - or would you acknowledge the contemporary cultural context of that emoji and say it's sexual harassment?
That being said, as someone else has said already: with the tools available it's simply impossible to track/moderate so there won't be anything done about it.
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Then t-bagging and hitting on hook is also sexual harrassment
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No, actually, nowhere near. The BM did not fall out of a coconut tree and exists within the context of everything that comes before it - most noteably, there are no sexual connotations behind being hit on hook (tbagging is another matter, but considering that it's being done over the ground and not another person, and it has evolved from its contemporary roots to have taken on a much more basic meaning in wider gaming communities, I'd argue that it has been watered down enough to not count either). Humping is not only cringe but must be taken in context, like how tbagging used to be seen. Critically, humping is always done over a downed survivor, and there is unfortunately nothing that can be done by that survivor to prevent it. I don't believe I need to go into detail about the actions it has connotations to, but they are much more prevalent than in other forms of BM found (again, tbagging is the most direct equivalent but I'd argue that it is seen as a lot more general BM now).
Not only is it cringe, immature, and kind of disgusting, it is a lot more reminiscent of sexual harrassment and SA than being hit on the hook ever will be. Unless you're into that, I don't judge.
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Im well aware that nothing physical needs to be involved, but were putting that and pressing W and S on a keyboard repeatedly in the category?
Like come on people, it really isnt that serious. Really hoping this gets taken down because this ######### is getting ridiculous.
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its not bannable as the only thing to get you probably banned it hacking, and sadly with the new update coming sluggings gonna be more prominent
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As many above have said, it's not bannable.
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T-bagging over another Survivor. Killers like Ghostface or Pig, t-bagging a Survivor puts the player in the EXACT same situation you've described. However, there's never been any negative connotations with that, none at least that I've seen brought up.
With the amount of rage posts here over the years about people t-bagging them, I don't think the meaning has been watered down lol. I think they get the memo on that one.
Likewise, hitting on hook is non-consensual touching in a scenario where the victim is powerless to stop it. If we're going by the definition, that certainly fits.
While I agree that it is certainly childish, and dumb, it is a game. I feel very badly for people who could be at risk of reacting badly, but at a certain point, you need to understand the environment you are putting yourself in. Horror has always been prone to having some pretty creepy sexual undertones, see Freddy, and mixing that with an online environment is a recipe for disaster, if you are prone to being upset by such a thing.
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I genuinely find it offensive to call it SA. It's cringe for sure but it's not even in the same universe as actual SA.
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It isn't and honestly i'm surprised that people could get angry for just moving back and forth... I personally consider a lot more irritating things like tbagging, pointing and purposely bleeding survivors on the ground when you have hooks at your disposal (unless you want to slug for chasing the last survivor or you are trying to pressure survivors, forcing them to leave the gen in order to pick up their companions... in that case it's more than understandable)
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If we keep making rules to stop players feeling to get hurt then we wouldn't have a very interesting game. Given that if you don't like the treatment you're getting… just tab out or look the other way from your screen.
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I notice that I get it a lot when I play Thalita. More so than any other character.
So, the people bringing up sexual harassment as a thing, it makes sense. I always laugh at it because I usually deserve it.
AS A PLAYER! I generally "BM" a lot, but I can see how people would get offended by it once they know the meaning.
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The BM did not fall out of a coconut tree and exists within the context of everything that comes before it
This is so bad taste. Who opens a comment about SH/SA with a TikTok meme? Like what.
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So, fun fact, I have been through the situation described and therefore I make jokes because I have not fully moved on from it, despite it occuring near enough 7 years ago. Forgive me for making the joke, it's the easiest way I have of talking about the subject.
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your talita is beautiful bro, thanks for everyone that answered
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... Am I the only person that thinks it doesn't look at all like what it intends, and instead it just looks really dumb, to the point of being almost funny?
I genuinely barely even register the intent at all, and just watch them waste an extra 3 seconds making themselves look like a complete idiot...
I know other people have real life horror stories for themselves or the people they care about that may make this hit different... but honestly, I really have to squint and lean to the side for it to look even remotely like the intent... and it still looks like such a weak attempt to force that idea, that I just can't take it seriously…
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Fun fact, when I started playing DBD, I had been playing online multiplayer games that didn't have a crouching ability, and I didn't even know what t-bagging was! I can, of course, only speak from my own personal experience, but the reason it annoyed me is because it was purposeful BM, not because of what it represents, and that continues to this day. Whenever I see someone t-bagging, my first thought is that it's BM, and not that it represents SH + SA.
The same cannot be said for humping. When I see that, it's all I can think about, and it's an action that makes me deeply uncomfortable. Again, I can only speak from my own experiences, but comparing my experiences between the two one brings on a much more severe emotional reaction, and it isn't the t-bagging.
Hitting on hook is considered non-consensual touching in a scenario where the victim is powerless to stop it
Entirely correct, but we are not using that definition. There's nothing sexual in nature about it, inherently or explicitly, and again the same simply cannot be said for humping. Looking at DBD's animations, the same could even be argued for t-bagging, because the crouching animation is so different to how it originated (even F13 had a more realistic animation for t-bagging, DBD's crouching and most other games' crouching is just so different that it doesn't actually click in my brain). Being hit on hook is violence, but it is not sexual violence, which is the difference here. Humping, to me, has those connections, those connotations, and doesn't annoy me, it actively, physically repulses me.
There's BMing, which is used to annoy someone, which I am totally fine with. This is a video game, I am able to stop playing the video game, go outside, and touch some grass. I am not chronically online enough to stake my health over a DBD match. But this doesn't feel (to me, who is drawing from my own experiences, speaking for myself, in my honest opinion) like BM, it feels like something worse, especially when it happens. I can't laugh it off like I can being hit on hook, hard tunneled, tbagged, clicked, pointed, etc. It makes me feel physically repulsed.
There's a difference, too, between horror having sexual undertones and this. There's a complete and massive difference between sexual themes for artistic merit and effect, and this.
At the end of the day, it shouldn't be bannable, and I completely understand that there's nothing that can be done about it. But at the very least, I can come to a niche internet forum, and complain about it.
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It's not about feelings, it's about what the action implies. Hence why it is being done in the first place.
You have:
A. The killer in the power role and,
B. the survivor in the victim role. Downed on the ground.I'm not going to describe more because I don't want to get kicked out of the fog, but you can't deny what the above stated implies.
Yes, it is walking back and forwards. Yes it is just movement and it's all pixels on a screen, but the MEANING behind it is there, no? If not, why the fork do it then?
And you should try to be kind to others, it's really not that fckg hard. But fact of the matter is that most people playing this game are a bunch of dudebros, about whom I have nothing nice to say without getting hauled outta here by the Entity itself.
I almost always get the walking back and forwards whilst playing female characters and as Tubarão. As Leon, Chris or Carlos I only get nods or hit on hook.
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I feel like if pixels moving up and down bother you, then you shouldn't be playing a MATURE rated game to begin with
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If you dig really deep, the whole teabagging thing has its origins in the humiliation of the other players character, who lies broken and defeated at your gaming-avatars feet, while it purposefully lowers its crotch on their face, like dipping a teaback into the hot water and back again.
Various Halo games even had special features where this was played for laughes and the dead character models face would react by looking and orienting itself to the other characters crotch.
Since then, and outside of Halo, t-bagging has lost most of its offensive connotation and more evolved into the direction of "flipping someone off" or "hahaha! Take that!", but one should not forget the origins of the t-bag. Claiming that one if harmless, while the other is uncomfortable and unsettling, is kinda disingenious, when killer players have reported hurt feelings and anger at the humble t-bag since this games inception.
I am not arguing for the humping, btw, I think I never did it myself and don't see any reason to, but BMing from the survivors to the killer seems to be taken as a given and harmless fun, so I wanted to bring this to the table.
In the end, most of the time I can laugh a t-bag off, but sometimes it really gets under my skin and I could flip the table. Thats usually when I know to stop the game and maybe go outside, touch some gras and reconnect with nature (or go to the river, its just a 5min walk from where I am living). And the humiliation of the defeated party seems to be deeply ingrained into the human psyche, so we probably can't do anything about it, besides some hard measures that would kill the spirit of the game.
BTW, you know what could help at least a little bit with punishing mean, BMing t-baggers at the exit gates? Thats right: a new general killer perk named "Just Leave"
"Just Leave" - a survivor who lingers for 40/30/20s at the exit gates area without healing a teammate will get exposed and the exit gates will block for them, until they move further away then 40m from that exit gate. While exposed, their aura will be shown to the killer, thus reducing the ability for survivors to grief the killer and waste unneccessary time.1 -
yeah i go into that way of thinking too, a couple nods and bags hurts no one, but its pretty boring when they slug hump you all the timer, to hook last second is super cringe. Also when the entity kills you the humping gets more real
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Fr, some peeps do it for the whole 4min? oof … I only ever saw it like 5s, then a nod and then they either hook you or leave and let you slugged.
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big world, thank god is not common
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I mean, just in general, you shouldn't go out of your way to try to make other people feel bad.
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Once again that is about feelings. Topics don't get brought up sometimes because some person not might feel comfortable to talk about it. I just don't see people direct this whole energy towards tbagging when BOTH actions' origins are from the same place.
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Pot calling kettle? Your point is about "feelings" as well, seeing how you seem to be allergic to them? You do get that anger, pettiness, frustration, agitation are all feelings as well right? Not just people not wanting to get humped for 4 minutes on the ground by someone who has nothing better to do with their life.
Besides no one here might be directing as much energy towards teabagging, because that is not the topic of discussion here. Have you not seen the forums being filled with umpteenth posts about teabagging in general? If not, go dig around.
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Yours was feelings mine was calling out the people who don't direct the same energy towards tbagging. Either way if you don't like the action suck it up. If you get offended by it then it's not your type of game if the communities that way.
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Just fyi: if a game's stated goal is inclusion and not some gang-like "suck it up and if you can't gtfo" then bringing up and addressing offending things is what you're supposed to do. Looking at history "sucking it up that a community is that way" has never ended well.
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No, my initial post was about the action and what it implies, but apparently you can't read lmao. IDC if someone does that to my character, but I have enough emotional intelligence to understand how it can seem to others and how it can make them feel. This is a community game and BHVR has stated multiple times that they're all about inclusion NOT exclusion.
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It's all about context I think. If you had a great chase with a killer and finally they got you, maybe they'll shuffle on your downed body little bit, that's alright it's just egos nothing major. Though I had one recently that a killer did it until I bled out, seriously, they stayed with me the entire time just shuffle my body, now that was a bit much. Alas this game has toxic players just like any other so it's nothing new, just move on to the next match.
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This is a reasonable and logical take and I can't find any holes in it, so props to you.
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I mean its no different than tbagging, both are simulating a sexual act to demean the other side and lord over them with your superior skill. If one is bad, both are bad.
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hopefully not
Simple bming should never be a bannable offense that would be ridiculous
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It's not sexual harassment
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That's what it means?
I've seen a video from a streamer where the killer was doing that. It made no sense.
If players doing that had more than three brain cells, they would die of shame.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. WSing, hum*ing, whatever you wanna call it, it's dumb and not worth the minimal effort it takes to do it. It's the same with teabagging imo but still.
Also, just to cover my bases, I put the * just in case the full word gets bleeped out. Idk if it would but I'd rather play it safe. Anyway, that's all, be good people out there!
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IMO it's far and away the most cringe of the all your common BM actions, which is saying something because they're all pretty cringe.
It's not bannable, but doing it does render you uncool for life and will likely prevent you from ever getting laid again.
I am particularly careful when picking up survivors not to even remotely approximate this move for fear of being perceived to be doing something so cataclysmically lame.
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Not gonna lie, it makes me feel uncomfortable to see Killers do this. And I can't help but lose a little respect for the streamers that do it too because they aught to know better.
Like a lot of behaviour in DBD I don't like that it's been normalised, but I try to shrug it off as just thoughtless kids who still have a lot of growing up to do and lack the emotional maturity to know any better.
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You can't possibly include everyone. That just doesn't work. Its more like "we include people we want to include" or the overwhelming majority. Also people should know the online environment is hostile. If they can't handle it that's a them issue not a game issue.
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What else would it be? Its obvious.
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I did not say that this is sexual harassment, I said the movement meaning indicates sexual harassment.
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I can't take you seriously. Are you genuinely advocating so hard to be able to hump people on the ground?
You're going out of your way to make everyone else think that it's okay. So you can insinuate youknowwhat on a downed survivor for 4 minutes until they bleed out? Really, that is what you're "fighting" for rn? Gamer, come on.
Edit: as for not being able to include everyone, no you can't, but you can at the very least try.
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If that's what you think. Honestly it's not that big of a deal and people who do make a big deal of it seem to not spread that opinion to tbagging despite it being the exact same thing.
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