Does 2v8 not have SBMM?

All online PvP games are competitive.

I actually think the simplicity is a big draw to it.

Tried out 2v8 3 days ago because my friend wanted to play, and I had no desire to play by myself, so loaded it up and we went to town. I was on Nurse because she's the only one of the five I know how to play besides Wraith, and my mate went Wraith and Huntress 50/50 so I figured it was easier to stay as her. Bear in mind, when I say "know how to play" I mean "I know the basic mechanics" not "I am a god gamer Nurse". But it was so much more fun than 1v4 has been in a while.

We didn't have to worry about coordinating builds, or what the opponents were bringing. We didn't have to overthink 83 different situations in our heads worrying about "oh if they bring x then I must do y, but if they have z I need to do w instead". We could just get on and play; I'd done basically no research into anything 2v8 wise (and got confused when I spawned in with 3 Blinks lol) but it's something I could actually figure out on the fly.

Similarly, when I played Survivor, having to know 5 maps and 5 killers and 4 different possible perk combinations was so much more simple than what's currently in live. I went to 1v4 (solo) and was hit with a Vecna and spent the whole match thinking about how needlessly complex that power actually is when you compare it to "I teleport through walls", "I place bear traps", "I throw hatchets", "My chainsaw goes broom and sometimes it goes broom broom", "I go invisible and when I stop being invisible I have a speed boost". Which is why I think 2v8 is going to become a lot less fun over time, because all of the excess bloat and complexity and unnecessary things from the rest of the roster, particularly the later additions, will make its way in and ruin that simplicity.

the part of it that has been paying customers for years for example.

This almost sounds like you want the game to be pay to win.

most players when they are new and actually stay in the game to gain a couple of hours are in for a very frustrating experience when they got beyond the low mmr pool.

What other situation could help this? Looser MMR or no MMR is just going to unsure a less experienced/skilled player is going to run into matches where they are out their depth.

But there are more layers, some people play for 6 years while others have around 1000 hours. Both kinds of players end up in the same lobby, how is that for a fair chance?

The six year player might not be that good, or the 1000 hour player might be great.

Also not sure how it's better if a 6 year player ends up with a 8 hour player.

And since we don’t know if a 3k and 4k is a big MMR difference or small MMR difference, killers should always slug for the 4k, because they don’t know how badly their MMR is being affected by letting the 4th person have a chance at hatch.

But why do they care? No one can see MMR, there's no reason to try and min max it. If we had public MMR people would definitely try and max out the number for bragging rights. Right now you can just play the game however you want in that situation.

Maybe having it hidden means not to stress over little things like this.

There's no stress here. But I do try to climb MMR in every PvP game I play, and there's zero reason to make an exception here just because MMR is hidden.

Therefore, I should absolutely play in whatever way maximizes my MMR gains, since I'm given any facts on the MMR details.

If the 4th survivor really isn't important, then BHVR can just flat out tell us the MMR details about the 4th survivor… We have been told that hatch escapes are 0 MMR, but we still don't know if gate escapes are worth 0 MMR if there are still generators left. That is very important information. if there are still generators left, then any escape survivors make should be 0 MMR points. We shouldn't have a loophole that survivors can gain MMR from gate escapes when there are still generators left.

…and if killers are not supposed to slug for the 4k, then BHVR should tell us the 4th survivor is always worth 0 MMR points, and therefore it literally doesn't matter what happens to them.

If you're that worried, then this is basically how it is.

Survivor dies = killer +1

Survivor escapes = killer -1

Survivor escapes via hatch = draw

Now, the system bhvr deployed has a soft cap. Meaning there is a limit to what match making uses to match you with someones else. Say the soft cap is 17,000. You could have an MMR score of 50,000 but match making will only see you as 17,000. Thats why it's meaningless to raise your MMR. Even if you let every survivor escape for the next 100 games, your MMR wouldn't fall below the soft cap threshold.

First off, how can you quote only specific parts? i want to have this power too XD

Copy the portion of the message you want (or type it out I guess) and then highlight it. 5 icons should appear, at least they do for me on chrome, bold, italics, strikethrough, inline code, and link.

I've heard others mention that some codes (html style perhaps) can also be used, but I've never tried that.

I meant to have some respect towards veteran players when considering matchmaking, which MMR does not have.

Again this might not be what you meant, but whether you bought the game this morning, or six years ago with constant play, BHVR should be equally concerned about you.

MMR has proofen to be very faulty system in general as it punishes players for being good.

Punish is a weird word in the sense that all it is doing is trying to match players with people of equal skill level.

The last time I was playing sports it was in pickup badminton where we formed teams on the fly. Skilled players tried to match with skilled players, novices with novices, etc. I don't know how anyone would have fun if we were just matching players randomly.

Additionally, survivors need to be matched with players of roughly equal skill. Killers can easily cut out a weak link in the team.

else but also average players (like me) from pro players.

The chance of hitting a pro level team, even if you were super top MMR, is extremely small.

But the point people miss is that every player should feel like they are hitting hard players if MMR is working. Whether you are bad, average, good, great, etc. if you are hitting players that seem challenging, MMR is doing exactly what it is supposed to. Unless you were playing a bunch of custom matches against players of a known skill level and then comparing that to the people MMR gives you, its really hard to tell.

The game also has tons of random elements and luck that are usually out of player view that can make it hard to decipher why a game went the way it did.

Sacrifices and escapes dont tell a huge story. 

This is something I think lots of posters on the forum get wrong.

Can you have a game where you play absolutely amazing and still die? Of course. However that is true for all the players in the pool. Across 100s, 1000s, of games those exceptions become irrelevant to the overall number. It's not a perfect system, but it doesn't need to be perfect, it's just trying to find a general place for people to be matched.

As they are the ones keeping this experience monetized, aside from cosmetic nuts like me i guess but i think majority of players dont bother with cosmetics. i might be wrong on that.

I doubt money paid on the game necessarily connects to hours played. Streamers buy all the cosmetics, but whether you do that or not otherwise is a personal call. I've paid about $20 for the game and DLC and that's probably about all they are ever going to get from me. The amount of hours I put into it doesn't really translate into cosmetics, that's totally a question of whether they interest you or not.

But this game doesnt really have an equal playing field, perks, randomness, maps, diversity in strength between the diffrent killers itself, like there is so much RNG involved its hard to see this as a comp game, usually comp games make sure anyone has equal chances no matter the situation, the ones i know at least. 

So DbD does have, by design, far more randomness then other games. On your examples though, it balances out. Sometimes the other side just has the exact right builds, sometimes you do. Whether randomness makes a more enjoyable game is a different question, I think it does (broadly speaking), many disagree.

But randomness and balance are different things. If the game creates a mismatch between survivors and killer that is going to override the game's randomness. You could give a elite killer the worst map in the game, but throw a low tier survivor in there and the killer has the advantage. Same situation if a mid tier killer get every advantage, but runs into high MMR survivors.

So i dont see a reason for a very strict matchmaking after the low mmr pool,

But the game doesn't have strict matchmaking. They tried that and lots of players didn't like the increased wait times. The MMR is relatively loose and it works better depending on the hours you play.

While i used to main legion in the past, im fairly new to playing skull merchant.

So someone like Skull Merchant probably will have their MMR inflated from players quitting against her. BHVR does have a check against that (short matches, less MMR impact), but yeah, for Skull Merchant, and maybe Legion, there's probably enough quitting to inflate the MMR.

I think the game should reward hook states and actions spend on the survivor side, again i can hide all game and let my mates do the job, that way i could also climb the mmr but im going to end up in a bracket where i dont belong eventually.

On hook states: I don't know how it changes anything. You're still going to have killers who survivors quit against, making it easier to get hook states. Tunneling would still be an effective strategy to maximize hook states.

On hiding all game: Letting the other survivors do the work is not going to work very well. It takes four survivors to beat a good killer. Hiding out all game might get you hatch, but most of the time you'll be losing MMR.

It's why Distortion is usually a trap perk (barring running it with something like Deliverance or a Hyperfocus gen rush type build). Sure, you are less likely to be found, but if the survivors don't work together, they're in deep trouble.