NERF SINGULARITY

I want to encourage the use of biopods and placement strategy, I think is cheap and lazy to just spam the teleportation with your cannon.

Biopod cooldown after tagging a survivor from 3s to 2,5s and EMPs hack duration from 45s to 25s. Now teleporting to tagged survivors directly with the cannon will remove the tag from them, meaning you will only get one teleport if you use the cannon (not the biopods).

Now to retrieve EMPs from 3D printers, survivors have to complete the (up, down, left, right) mini-game, but there are 15 steps instead of 5.

Is… that a suggestion..? Or something coming???

Yes, in theory you can pick up an emp. But when you "destroy" his ability to tp, all he has to do is shoot a pod somewhat ahead of where you are going, and bam, you're back to square one again with no EMP.

The retagging thing is not a change that is happening. Merely a poor suggestion. If you had to retag a survivor every time you slipstreamed he'd be the most tedious killer in the game. So much busywork.

The EMP delays the hit and lets you reposition to where he's going to have a harder time tagging you. Walls exist. Use line of sight blockers. You're never going to run a singularity for five gens, he's a very chase oriented killer. But like every killer the goal is to extend the chase as long as possible. EMPs are an important tool in this regard.

Finally if you don't like X killer so much then play as them. Eventually you'll go against survivors that spank you and they'll teach you what to do as survivor to beat that killer. That's how I learned to play vs knight and legion. Instead of expecting the killer to be kneecapped to meet your expectations come at it as an opportunity to learn.

Yes, in theory you can pick up an emp. But when you "destroy" his ability to tp, all he has to do is shoot a pod somewhat ahead of where you are going, and bam, you're back to square one again with no EMP.

If only you could change direction while he shutdown to look at cameras.

Then again, you are not supposed to run him forever, all chases come to an end.

Sure, that's a FINE argument.. but only assuming that the killer is fair and balanced, which I don't believe it is.

easier said than done, there are only so many times in a chase you can break LOS and that don't involve an action that negates your distance (crouching), staying still behind an object). Sometimes, the tiles around you are just not conducive to losing LOS and there's nothing to do but hold W which he then just spams teleport

pre drop? teleport and break in overclock

greed the pallet? teleport and at best he breaks the pallet in overclock once dropped or you eventually drop and he times the teleport right so it breaks anyway

use emp? just shoot anywhere ahead of you or around you and tag you again. Map is usually ridden with pods anyway so it really doesn't matter

maybe with a coordinated team it's easier, in solo q simply using an emp is not the savior it's made out to be

would not call him OP but the spam teleport play style is just stupid and unfortunately that's mostly the way he's played

I was going to make my own thread but will add to this discussion instead.

Please correct me if I am wrong, and I will acknowledge any mistakes I make in the discussion

Freddy can teleport to a generator every 45 seconds, cooldown reduced for every survivor that is asleep. Singularity theoretically can teleport to a survivor working on a generator, assuming the killer can tag them and activate his power.

If Freddy has no perks to know which generator is being worked on, his use of power might be wasted if he cancels it, or even uses it. Singularity can just cycle through all the generators it has Bipods near and always make the correct decisions to go defend the generator or not. With no cooldown, aside from the Bipods being deactivated. Which only lasts for 45 seconds.

Time is the most valuable resource in this game. And so in my opinion, this is what's frustrating when playing against this killer. Survivors rely on another survivor being chased, downed and hooked and then the killer arriving at their generator, to finish their generator in time.

The Singularity, however, can monitor all generators it has a Bipod near, and so after chase, can immediately get back into chase, and to go the generator being worked on. The killer can even check on generators, in the middle of chase if needed. And because part of its power enhances its chase capabilities, those chases potentially aren't very long.

For a survivor to get time and protect their generator, they have to wait for an EMP, disable the Bipod, then only gets 45 seconds to work on the generator before it is active once more. That is a lot of time wasted if you want to avoid being put into chase or being interrupted from working on the generator.

It feels very oppressive to have a killer that can get downs quickly and also has almost perfect information on which generators to attend to, so no time wasted.

Furthermore, all that time you spend disabling a Bipod, the Singularity can just shoot it and replace it instantly if it is close.

I have only two suggestions that I would want to be considered. I am not a game designer and not the best of players, so if it is not viable then I understand. I would like tested for EMP's to destroy Bipods in the radius, not just disable them (since the Singularity just replaces them anyway). This would give more time to do generators and force the Singularity to manually go over and place them, and punish the Singularity for placing them too close together. The Singularity will still know which generator to go to, because its Bipods were destroyed, in the same way it knows Bipods are disabled.

There does not seem to be a cooldown on Overclock mode. Might I suggest a 10 second period between teleports. My time is based on the Dredge, where in the upcoming update, its teleport has a 10 second cooldown during daytime. This would mean that the Singularity would need to be a bit more careful on its teleports during chase.

Freddy has no power to know what is being worked on. Perks are fair game.

[Disclaimer we have not seen nor played hux since his changes, if there's a piece of info wrong or missing please correct us and donate that info to the Rulebreaker library]

So the thing is with the EMPs, which are supposed to be used to hinder hux's power, Hux only has info. Survivors can either wait for one to be near done, or speed it up themselves. This means as long as everyone is helping them along from time to time, survivors will have a decent cache of them. Overall Hux is a m1 killer with info and a teleport/super mode combo that can be denied.

He's gotta set up before he can teleport and survivors pretty much have to let him. If he can't teleport to the survivors, which can be denied via walls and aforementioned EMPs, he's gotta walk. Attentive survivors know when he's watching because the bipod makes noise and glows bright and so can be cautious when he stops looking aka disappear from the area. He can immediately replace them sure but that's also time he's gotta spend getting there and doing it.

He's already punished for placing bipods too close because EMPs fry them in a decent radius. He's gotta either wait for them to come back or go manually replace them should that happen.

Hey thanks for the reply. Just in case there was a misunderstanding with what I said, when I wrote;

"If Freddy has no perks to know which generator is being worked on, his use of power might be wasted if he cancels it, or even uses it."

I meant that, Freddy and Singularity can both teleport to generators, but Freddy can't inherently know which one to go to (without the use of perks) while Singularity can monitor generators it has put Bipods on and can always make the correct teleport decision.

Your point on generating EMPs is valid, but I would also say it goes to my other point that time is valuable, and if 1/4 survivors are making EMPs then generators might not get done efficiently and in time. This is the same reason survivors don't generally go cleanse unnecessary totems or open chests when the game state is undetermined.

I still think it would be interesting testing the suggested changes to allowing EMPs to remove Bipods not just disable them. This way, while yes the killer will have to spend time replacing them, but at the same time survivors need to spend time making EMPs. In somewhat how, if survivors disable Trapper's traps, the killer has to manually set them again, the traps don't reset by themselves (except with an add-on, in which, an add-on for Bipods to not be destroyed but only disabled might be viable).

His effectiveness in chase, sure can keep that if needed. There's already killers that can end chases quickly. But his map control and information can be oppressive, and this is BEFORE adding any perks, which I agree are fair game, a killer should not be changed because they use certain perks well.

You're exactly right.

In addition to being a very "chase oriented" killer, Singularity also has omnipresence across the entire map when pods aren't disabled, and even when they are, really good information.

If Singularity really wants to guard a particular location, it's very possible to set up 2 pods enough distance away from each other that one EMP will not disable both. When you emp a pod at an objective, even if he can't tag you and teleport right over to you, he still knows exactly where you are, and will certainly be on you within 10 seconds regardless if he wants to contest it. You can't even save EMPs for when you get a slipstream on your back because the pod cooldown is so quick and they literally have 360 degrees view. Even charging an EMP ahead of time doesn't remove the slipstream. It feels like EMPs do nothing.

A Xenomorph turret has a cooldown of 30 seconds before a new one can be acquired from the station, otherwise if the Xenomorph destroys it then it becomes a 60 second cooldown. So as you can see, EMPs can actually be made faster than turrets. Xenomorph's power comes back after 35 seconds, or 4,375 seconds if traversing tunnels. This means Xenomorph can regain its power much faster than turrets can counter it.

Why then, does Singularity feel so different? I believe it comes down to the valuable information its power gives, and the ease in which the power can 'infect' survivors for later use, combined with the speed in which the survivors can remove the effect. This is an extreme example, but imagine Unknown being able to keep survivors Weakened from anywhere on the map, or any other killer that can put a power related status on survivors with such ease. Even the Artist, another killer which can exert map-wide influence, can miss, and the survivor can very quickly remove the effect by jumping in a locker, or if the Artist too far away, has a chance to remove the status before the killer can enter into a chase.

That is why, again, my suggestion for EMP to destroy stationary Bipods rather than disable, because it means at least the killer has to spend a bit of time re-establishing their control. Skull Merchant, Trapper, Xenomorph, Plague, all have to go out of their way to re-establish their power on the map (or in case of Xenomorph, remove the turret). Bipods just come back after 45 seconds with no input from the killer, or sooner if replaced by a new one. Skull Merchant drones are quite similar, but the difference is the Skull Merchant can't automatically choose to be right on top of the survivor if once the drone reactivates and is not dealt with soon enough.

When a killer's power is part of a side objective, it should slightly favor the killer, but still be lenient enough for survivors to work around with skill and correct decision making. Xenomorph's turrets, Cenobite cube, Demo portals, Merchant drones, Unknown hallucinations, Pig Traps, vaccines for Nemesis and Wesker, even Plague fountains. Survivors need to be mindful and use part of their valuable time to address these side objectives, otherwise if ignored the killer has every right to remain powerful and punish them.

I'm sorry I know this is a ramble, I'm just finding it really interesting the more I delve into the number side of things. Time is very important, we all can agree on this. A few seconds here and there, 1% somewhere else, can make all the difference. Its just about fine tuning. The reason I am using other killers as examples, is I would rather rely on already established times and cooldowns rather than make a suggestion without proper information to show why it would be good or bad.

Your welcome (not sure what the thanks is for)? Didn't see the "if" so our bad on that front (in our defense we were on a phone, tiny text)

While Freddy doesn't know where to teleport, hux has to tag survivors first to be able to teleport (which he then has to actually teleport after a delay). If he cant then he's gotta walk like we've previously said and those tags can be fried.

1/4 survivors are making EMPs then generators might not get done efficiently and in time.

Here's where we'd argue as what's "efficiently" and what's "in time". As long as someone is working, gens will be efficient enough as long as Hux doesn't catch survivors in under 30 seconds and like (not exact times but hopefully people get the point). It doesn't matter how survivors keep his attention, from run and hide at heartbeat to looping for days, but as long as it's occupied enough then gens will be done.

We would say people don't do totems and boxes more due to lack of incentive than undermining the match as theres little point in doing dull totems and chests aside from rift, NOED, and wanting a new item and maybe the point gain without certain perks.

I still think it would be interesting testing the suggested changes to allowing EMPs to remove Bipods not just disable them.

Sure its testable but for our 2 cents on the mater is it's just going to make hux more of a pain to play, which is what we thought the update was suppose to alleviate. Survivors should already be trying to print EMPs so they're ready when needed.

His effectiveness in chase, sure can keep that if needed. There's already killers that can end chases quickly. But his map control and information can be oppressive, and this is BEFORE adding any perks, which I agree are fair game, a killer should not be changed because they use certain perks well.

So while hux always can have information that can't be denied, his map control is determined by survivors as well as his chase factor. As said many times, those emps are there for a good reason and its up to the survivors to be smart with them. If survivors play well, use the emps smart, and print them every now and then, hux becomes effectively an m1 killer.

They should remove killer instinct notification when a survivor is slipstreamed. It's really not necessary info for him, and it only makes him ever so slightly stronger than he needs to be.

I don't think there is anything stopping the Singularity from already doing a 3 gen area control playstyle. As another used spoke about, the Bipods can be placed so that the EMP cannot disable all of the Bipods in the area, but they can still monitor the same generators.

I believe mentioning the killer's skill floor would be a response more suited to someone saying that the killer is too difficult to play. The skill floor of a killer does not change the player's experience when versing them, it dictates how consistent a player can perform using the killer. If anything, it means that the killer has room to be even more oppressive if used by a more skillful player. Furthermore, many players seem to be reaching the skill floor, as evidence by all those who have shared similar situations and game experiences when encountering the killer. Please try and keep the discussion constructive and respectful.

If there was something confusing about the math, you are welcome to be more specific so I can try and clarify for you.

They aren't going to add a ten second cooldown on slipstream because that would kill singu. Expecting different killers to adhere to the same numbers is ridiculous. They all do different stuff.

My post already showed that several killers that do different things adhere to the same numbers, that being the 45 second cooldown upon use or being disabled.

I said it makes him ever so slightly stronger, meaning a minor buff, not a major buff like you seem to imply is what I said. He has enough buffs that this is really unnecessary.

"It makes him ever so slightly stronger than he needs to be" means he's overbuffed because of the killer instinct, at least that's how most people including me would probably read that.

I don't think it makes him really stronger but just takes away things you have to think about and it give a little bit of information that doesn't really matter that much.

Besides that he was buffed a little bit yes (at least for most people, singularity mains aren't that happy about the changes as far as I've seen xD), but the point they wanted to reach was mainly to make him playable for more people. Many people playing him were just constantly confused because of the different pov's you have to switch quickly around, the killer instict just makes it so that you instantly know where you marked him and you don't have to be so good at orientating after getting out of the camera.

I find most of his buffs reasonable enough, but now with his chase potential made much easier to achieve, I do find getting this info given to his basekit unnecessary, and just a bit of a buff overload.

they are useless in chase (as intended) and now they're useless out of chase too, validating 3 gen strats was supposed to be something the community felt was a bad thing, no?

i just don't want y'all to get to six months from now where you realise 3 gen hux is way too strong and BHVR responds by panic-reworking him, skull merchant style. but if y'all think 3 genning is fine again i'll shut up and take my overtuned robot man with me