Hot take: Pain Res and Pop are the most healthiest regression perks in the game.

They're bad design IMO. They're only relevant at the very top level when both sides are equal, but in most normal games, they either help a Killer win more when they're already at an advantage therefore making below average squads have no chance of a comeback and they just get 4k'd at 4-5 gens, or they're completely useless against super SWFs that rush 4 gens before a Killer can even get a single hook anyway.

I feel like to me personally the issue is slowdown in general. IMO gen slowdown and gen repair speed buffs should both be gutted and gen speeds should just be standardized and consistent so the game can be balanced around other things instead. I never run slowdown because I find it to make games extremely boring, like even if they helped me clutch a win against a super sweaty gen rush squad I didn't exactly have fun stressing in a match like that, whereas if I hadn't steamrolled a below average team with my slowdown Perks that probably would've been a more fair, chill match. But that's just how I like playing. I understand why other players feel like slowdown is a necessity. I just think it shouldn't be THE meta period.

I agree. Both need downs, so the 6.1.0 situation can't happen with them and they also disincentivise (or at least try to) some mean killer strategies. Pop is terrible for camping because you need to get to the gen to kick it and Pain Res doesn't work while you're tunneling.

Kinda vibe with this, I still run pain res because running no slowdown is asking to lose with perks like deja vu, resilience and prove theyself so present but if gen speed buffs and gen regression didn't exist I actually think the game could be balanced a lot easier. Unfortunately I think we're too far down this road and it'll be impossible to get either out of the meta without a 6.1 style patch.

Unfortunately that means the faster killers with stronger powers that can end chases quickly and those that can pressure gens better will undoubtedly be the best and everyone else gets left in the dust in comparison. No one else would ever be worth using unless you just like playing with a severe disadvantage.

Exactly this.

Skill expression between killers would be much more static and predictable.

As it stands, killers with less mobility can use gen slowdown/regression to keep up with the pace of the game, while high mobility killers can afford to use other perks and pressure more effectively directly. You do get the high mobility killers using slowdown, which can be oppressive against uncoordinated survivors with no gen perks/toolboxes, but then you can get coordinated survivors that do have gen perks who can cope. The point is the range/variety in capabilities.

Without that, you'd just have Blights dominating with no recourse for survivors, and Trappers falling behind with no way to catch up.

Healthy in this sense means is discourages camping/tunneling or rewards not camping/tunneling. That's good regardless of SWF or Solo queue.

Pop is absolutely healthy, you can only get good value from it if you make as many hooks as possible, so you're rewarded for not tunneling, and you can only use it if you leave the hook, so it discourages camping.

Pain Res is a little less clear cut. Being only active on the first scourge hook of a given survivor, it still technically works if you tunnel.

Old Pain Res was actually much better. It had a lesser effect but on every hook, so more hooks again meant better value. It also originally had info by alerting you to the gen with the most progress, which encouraged you to leave the hook to pressure that gen. But this was deemed too much of a good thing as high mobility killers could essentially instantly pressure exactly where they needed to.

This is the fix we need, but not the fix BHVR thinks we deserve. I bet a community poll would back this up.

I feel gen regression is the only thing being talked about because 'high mmr' players are too far out of touch to see any other option. 'Tunnel Vision' if you will (Though not to be confused with tunneling), will keep players from thinking outside the box.

This isnt a blast to anyone, so please don't respond all offended. Just offering a perspective check.

I feel like atot of people don't recognize this. Perks like PR and pop are win or perks. If I'm running around getting downs left and right do I really need regression? If I'm having a bad game or the survivors are on point is when regression is need. Imo ruin was still the healthiest regression.