Proxy camping is still a perfectly viable playstyle

They already have - they increased the "survivors get to unhook themselves for FREE" feature to an even BIGGER radius this patch. It's essentially gone from an anti-facecamp measure to an anti-proxy measure, now. Killers can't even get remotely close to a hook at this point without it starting to give the hookie some unhook credits.

The amount of effort the killer has to put into camping vs the amount of effort and coordination survivors need to counter it are in no way comparable, which imo isn't good game design.

Pretty much.

If you mindlessly camp in pubs, the only reason you'll succeed is because your opponents have no clue what to do and will gladly throw the game for you if not give up right away. otherwise, you'll lose gens, get a trade, end up in a terrible position.

Thats not the "only reason". Or even a reason at all.

Solos cant communicate who to go save. Or even when its safe to save. Not all killers have a TR, even if they did have a TR, that doesnt mean everything; what about multilevel maps or walls that would make it safe?

Theres so much at play here to save from a camp on the survivors end.

Not everyone brings kindred, not everyone brings reassurance, or we'll make it. I cant see that on my end even if that is the case. I dont know my teams perks. Do you somehow?

Camping requires you to look at your screen, see an aura that tells you where the survivor you hooked is, and wait for any pixels moving around or towards the hook.

Now I dont know the solution to rid this game of this; short of making survivors that are unhooked just untouchable for 2 minutes or invulnerable. I dont see a way to really fix this.

We see a little bit of it in 2v8 where it teleports the hooked survivor somewhere else, which would be nice but there are other things that need addressing balance wise before something like that happens. And it would also need to rid the noise notification on unhook as well.

It seems you all forget about the killer playstyle of proxy camping, downing the rescuer, leaving them in the death state and tunneling the person that was just unhooked.

And don't give me the "but there are anti-tunnel perks" response because no one should have to run a full build of anti-tunnel perks that might only give you a little bit more game time to get around this playstyle while someone else is then bleeding out on the ground. That now makes the game unfun for not just one but two survivors.

You missed my point. Survivors should not have to rely on anti-tunnel perks to have a chance when there are perks to counter the gen slow down or chase perks that are overall more efficient than the anti-tunnel perks that, when a killer wants to tunnel, they will not provide much use.

And to your point on Letherface being the only killer that can handle a multiple survivor save, that is also kind a point in itself because you need more than one survivor to unhook hopefully without a trade which takes at least two if not the remaining three people off gens. It's gen slowdown without a perk and while some people see it as a proper playstyle, it gets around your above point about everyone needs perks. If the gens don't get done because everyone is working towards an unhook, survivors don't survive.

'do gens' is easier said than done in a swf or at higher mmr

at lower or where the avg survivor plays mmr, a survivor or 2 will immediately get off gen when they see someone even go down because they think he needs to be saved asap. If killer decides to camp, these guys will just surround hook waiting for who is going to actually save. You might know the optimal way to handle this situation but 9/10 times the randoms do not

either way, game is over most of the time here because there are way too many people off of gens for way too long and you're unlikely to recover from this

camping is too viable in solo q because too much coordination is required amongst a group of 4 uncoordinated players due to them having very little tools to coordinate besides a hud which most don't know how to use to make an informed decision

I challenge anyone who is complaining about "proxy camping" to post a video of your gameplay as killer and show us how easy it is to with without ever using this strategy. Post 10 consecutive matches, not cherry-picking single matches against potato survivors where you got 12 hooks with 3 gens left. Unless you can show that winning is consistently possible without ever doing it, then maybe put yourself in the other side's shoes and understand why they are doing it before complaining about it on the forum.

the unfortunate part is sometimes your team has the right intention and just doesn't want their fellow teammate to spend all game on a hook after their first chase or want to see them tunneled all game so they get off gens to block or trade aimlessly; again, your game is over at this point

you're assuming matchmaking works (it doesn't)

it's as much 'their problem' as it is you cheesing your way to a mmr where you feel this is the only way to play…

A weak team (bad matchmaking) losing against a better killer is fine.

The issue here is matchmaking.

Also, it seems matchmaking now gives you matches like this: normal match, hard match, easy match … and loops.

This doesn't appear to be related to winning or losing BTW.

I've noticed that as survivor and as killer. (Although my last few survivor matches have been way less experienced players, I could see the "strenght" of the opposing killer)

On the killer side it's more flagrant though: I usually play a decent Nurse and one match I'm against survivor who casually die with one or no gen left, then I'm matched against a team that does 3 gens by the time I've found my first survivor (and forces me to play mercilessly) and to follow that I get a team trying to hide from me while I'm on them. And then I get a normal game again.