Map sizes
If BHVR insist on making all the maps the size of postage stamps moving forward, with Mount Ormond being the most recent one to have shrunk in the wash, can we at least go back to having some of the OG aesthetic that made the game more more atmospheric? Thicker fog, daytime maps being reverted back to night time maps (never understood daytime maps in a game called Dead by DAYLIGHT) and moonlight offerings reintroduced etc. I’m on board with making the game more accessible but it’s ridiculous that you can stand at any point in a map and see all four walls of the arena.
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Id prefer that they go back to all those movement buffs they gave when killers said maps were too big and revert those personally.
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I actually love coldwind daytime and think the dusk/day aesthetic of it is extremely beautiful but we do need more horror in this game. Sadly, I don't believe we're going to ever get horror atmospheres back in DBD. Recently fog in general was removed from gameplay and they seem intent on making this game in the same vein of fortnite where you just play for the gameplay and everything else is just bloat to sell content. Settings have always been unimmersive and very 'this is a video game' like but they're going full throttle into that direction now so I personally wouldn't expect any further atmosphere improvements from BHVR
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I mean they are trying to supplement that horror elements by going the jump scare route with giving killers NUMEROUS ways to be undetectable. That isnt good horror its cheap and it honestly makes the gameplay worse for it.
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No, maps will only get smaller and brighter in future like they have been over the last few years.
Got to boost those kill rates somehow.
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Yes, very sad about the maps. Wish they didn't decide to remove a lot of those atmospheric horror aspects like fog and DoF.
To paraphrase a great line I heard the other day from @Atsuka_Anarchy
"Welcome to the Fog." …What fog?
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Well they have added a lot of ambiance over the last year by putting a lot of estetic stuff like Walls, Bushes and trees everywhere. After that they now reduce the map size which is a good change at least imo.
Some maps were just so big that you hat no chance of holding gens cause you couldnt get there in time. Especially with the 4.4 non Mobility killers like huntress or old trickster
Had literary matches where I loaded in with lethal, saw 2 survivors hop on a gen on the other side of the Map and by the time I was there gen was done and survivors were gone. Thats not fun gameplay
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what does any of this have to do with the topic at hand? Walls and bushes aren’t horror themed and the rest of this was you complaining about old maps being difficult for you
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They got rid of the darker aesthetics because surprise surprise killers complained about not being able to find survivors. Now that maps are smaller I’d like it if they brought those elements back but I doubt they will.
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As a killer main I miss the old Aesthetics and atmosphere
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So what do you want? Maps for gameplay, or aesthetic?
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What movement buffs?!
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Both- which is entirely possible.
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The original iteration of Chapel had both and it was a perfect map.
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no moonlight offering please, the game used to be unbearably dark, im all for bringing back old aesthetic but no moonlight offerings making the map pitch black please.
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I feel like a minority for having loved thr pitch black house on Garden of Joy.
That building was so OP for looper that I honestly did not care that it was OP for stealth too
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Honestly, I would love a darker and foggier game.
Would even buff some killers like Trapper and Hag as their traps won't be as visible to the naked eye. Coldwind is an eye sore to load in on and I'm surprised Behavior hasn't said anything about it, especially when they had the Lights Out modifier.
It would make the game much more horror based... Imagine walking into a Myers by accident because of a darker and foggier map, lol.
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Being reduced in size is fine in theory, the main problem is that these new map variants also tend to become more barren than the originals, for some reason. It's like they purposely exist only to increase the total % of killer-sided map in the game.
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I really miss the horror atmosphere. I mean the new maps look cool but the eerie vibe got lost unfortunately.
Also imo coldwind maps should be in the moonlight not like we have it now. I think it would still possible to see even on a TV screen and it would increase the atmospehre so much
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-Had literary matches where I loaded in with lethal, saw 2 survivors hop on a gen on the other side of the Map and by the time I was there gen was done and survivors were gone. Thats not fun gameplay.
That can still very much happen, can it not?
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My issues with new maps:
1: They are getting smaller and smaller with every one released. Also, loops are getting weaker.
2. Fog is nonexistent. Revert the fog removal and make it so that the reagents do something.
3. Some maps are too bright. Eyrie, Ormond and Coldwind in particular. Make coldwind take place shortly after sunset, and add a snowstorm/sandstorm to Ormond/Eyrie.
Edit: Almost forgot an smaller issue: Breakable Walls seem to have been abandoned as a concept. Evidence: Look at maps from Project W onward.
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They're very close to making the maps very balanced. I think this is the ultimate goal.
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There has been a definite shift in the "sidedness" of maps in the recent 3-4 years. Whereas in the past I would say a good 60 or even 70% of maps more so leaned survivor-favouring, with 10-20% favouring killers and the rest being more or less balanced, now it can not only be said that there is a bit of an even split between sided maps, but the amount of balanced maps has also grown considerably.
All of this is obviously difficult or impossible to objectively quantify, and the fact that maps are procedurally generated in somewhat unique ways every trial further complicates things, but here's my rough take on it:
Of 53 maps, I think 14 (26%) are survivor-favouring:
Groaning Storehouse I
Ironworks I
Blood Lodge
Gas Heaven
Cowshed
Disturbed Ward
Grim Pantry (much depends on the pier version that spawns however, with a bad pier it's a map that would fall under balanced)
Badham Preschool I-V
Eyrie Of Crows
Garden Of Joy
13 (24%) are killer-favouring:
Coal Tower II
Resting Place
Rancid Abattoir
Rotten Fields
Thompson House
Haddonfield
Temple Of Purgation
Sanctum Of Wrath I & II
Dead Dawg Saloon
Forgotten Ruins
Midwich
Hawkins
And 26 (~50%) are more or less balanced:
Coal Tower I
Groaning Storehouse II
Ironworks II
Shelter Woods I & II
Suffocation Pit I & II
Wrecker's Yard
Torment Creek
Wretched Shop
Chapel
Pale Rose
Mother's Dwelling
Family Residence I & II
Ormond I-III (depending on RNG can swing killer or survivor)
Greenville Square
Shattered Square
RPD East & West
Gideon
Lery's
I'm undecided on Nostromo and Toba Landing - I think they're both more so leaning killer but I can't really tell, they also have things going for survivor. So I'll count them under balanced.
While this trend is a good thing, I think with a few maps they have gone a little too far (such as Haddonfield and the recent Coldwind adjustments, or the Red Forest reworks and the worrying trend of what's happening with MacMillan), and it can also be said that what more than anything else complicates things is that there are many different killers that of course change how the base "sidedness" of a map plays out in practice, as well as whether the sidedness isn't reversed altogether (e. g. Blight (a top tier killer) struggling on Lery's to the point of it becoming survivor-sided, vs. Ghostface (a low tier killer) excelling on it and it being decidedly in his favour). A Groaning Storehouse spawning an average of 12-14 pallets may be fine as and against a Legion or Trapper, but with a Billy or Blight in play that melt through these pallets, 16-18 would seem more appropriate. And so on. So this all is not very accurate or too telling of the match-to-match reality, but the general trend is certainly there, and there are only few maps left where you load in as killer and think you're fighting an uphill battle just on the basis of that, and there's now also a few where you have that feeling as survivor.
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I think the reason may be to make the game more watchable, aka removing the boring hold w until something happens part of the game.
For example, these new maps come included with more playable pallets and hiding spots in the edges so less holding w and more chaing loops, which is more impressive than running away while both sides akwardky look at each other until they close the gap.
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