Can we finally get Basekit Unbreakable which unlocks after being slugged for 60 seconds?

That's not incentivizing, that's punishing. And there are many situations where killers are already punished for trying to pick up survivors, so you're just applying punishments no matter what they do. That's not how you fix problems.

Slugging is hard countered by Boon: Exponential.

Even COH will deny snowball if survivors arnt potatoes.

The killer’s goal is to eliminate survivors (as in kill them and at this point they can enter another match), not incapacitate them…

Killing survivors doesn’t incapacitate them because they’re no longer in the game.

Incapacitate means to block or inhibit… Not eliminate or remove.

not 60 seconds. That’s a very long time

The kiler's goal is to kill the survivors. Slugging can be a tactic used to accomplish that. Therefore, slugging is pursuing the killer's goal of killing the survivors.

As for "slugging isn't interactive"

Slugged survivors can still move. Your teammates can still pick you up or position for a pallet save/flashlight save.

There's plently of basekit counters already for slugging and survivors even have perks to help against it. Such as Unbreakable, We're gonna live forever, Buckle Up, and For the People.

Slugged on the ground for a minute isn't even a hook state worth of time and is only 1/4th of the total bleedout progress. If your teammates are not pressuring gens nor rescueing you from the dying state, that's the fault of the survivor team.

I have admittedly used strategic slugging but never, not once, come close to leaving a survivor slugged for 60 seconds. What on earth would any killer be doing to need a survivor slugged for that long?

This is not a good idea.

See, what you're doing now is putting survivor feelings over all other logic, and are arguing that a survivor team so bad that they can't even get their teammate off the ground are not to blame, no somehow it's the killer who's to blame. Always. Unless the killer is literally standing on the survivor, their teammates should be able to pick them up. If you start arguing that survivors should just pick themselves up after an arbitrary amount of time, not only would that be an unneeded survivor buff of unprecedented proportions (because their teammates will never have to pick them up again), but people will then start to argue, "It should be 45 seconds. No, 30. No, 15." That's the floodgates you'd open.

Why is this logic never applied to killer. I guarantee you there are plenty of situations where the killer can't do anything either. We just say that, "No, he can do something " because he's able to move his character and use his power. But that doesn't actually equate to being able to get the survivors. Yes, eventually you'll get any survivor, but at what cost? 45 seconds of your time? 60? 2 minutes? Longer periods of time than these survivors are supposedly being left on the ground. And all that wasted time basically goes towards... nothing. The killer sacrificed a hook, maybe a regression perk, or a hook trade for that slug. The rest of the survivors will still capable of looping and doing gens, resulting in a net negative for killer. The go-to "pressure" strategy nowadays is still a net negative for killer.

So a survivor having to be on the ground is not the end of the world. Either the team will lose then and there, or they'll get picked up and carry on. Where's the "misery" in that? Total exaggeration.

As long as there are survivor playstyles that counter hooking, such as sabo and flashbangs... there MUST be slugging playstyles to counter it.

Saw this earlier and it acts as a perfect reason to keep slugging as part of the game.

How do you expect killer hook people who crawl to nearest pallet with flip-flop and power struggle while their team mates are nearby with flash bang or flash light or there's some sabo Seal Agent ready to sabotage the hook if you by any chance manage to pick the downed survivor up?

With so many ways to deny killer a chance to hook survivor there's only a mass slug option. Meanwhile, every survivor can have an anti-slug build combo and equip unbreakable and killer won't even know these perks are equipped in the game until they are used. The video in this topic is a small example of how far it all can be stacked together which will make the game for killer everything but fun while survivors can chain stun-flash bang to their heart's content over and over.

Shouldn't killers get punished for leaving one of the players in an uninteractive state for literally over a minute?

The problem is that the “uninteractive” state where all you can do is recover or crawl is the punishment for getting hit twice. It’s like a penalty box.

stopping generators is no longer the killers goal because survivors complained.

killing survivors is their goal, slugging is a means to do that.

have a nice day.

yeah I got bleed out by a deathslinger recently. The dude just went to jump a bill that was on the ground. No one had a flashlight or anything the guy was just mad. All we need is a faster bleed out timer. Killers still get their win and survivors don’t have to wait 4 minutes to just go to the next game.

If a survivor gets slugged for over a minute and no one even tries to help them then that is on the survivor team, not the killer.

If you slug all 4 survivors you've won. It's a win condition like Hooking all Survivors. And eschews the need to carry survivors to hook or hook them multiple times. And survivors conveniently can't immediately perform "unhooks" because the other survivor needs to recover.

Sometimes fun to see if you can do it: Healing reduction perks, Instadown perks/Killer, with a Killer you're decent at. Just keep slugging and repeatedly slugging and circling back to slugged survivors to check if they're being "rescued" from slug.

Remember doing it myself with Ghostie couple years back. I'm certainly not too skilled, so the survivors I faced weren't able to counter it well.