I came back to the game after a break of 7 months and my first game was againts a 4 man swf

How do you know it was a 4-man SWF? I rarely see 4-mans usually 2-3 leaning more towards 2. If you want to play as killer and guarantee you do well you need to run certain perks and killers. Running someone like trapper or legion will probably not go great if the survivors are bringing their A game.

One issue is, you can't really know if they are a coordinated SWF until it's too late usually. If you play nice under the assumption that you are against 4 solos, then suddenly you get flashlight saved at a clutch moment and everyone is taking hit for each other at 1 gen.

This is a more general problem in DBD where you never know how sweaty your opponents are until they pop that clutch syptic in your face and now it's too late you're already screwed. Because of that, you tend to assume everyone is sweaty by default, and so the game effectively becomes sweatier.

I'm not in favor of SWF-specific nerfs but at least it would be fair for the killer to be able to know who is in SWF with whom, since it has such a huge impact on gameplay. Not even talking about the winrate, but there are perks like Rancor that lose 90% of their value if the obsession is in SWF, and you would play very differently with this perk if you coul know you are facing a SWF.

I meant stick to stronger Killers as their main and just not play weaker ones. It sucks, but if you don’t want to take any chances, it’s all you can do.

An ugly truth about DBD is that it's punishing as hell on low MMR survivors and punishing as hell on killers with a higher MMR. As a newer survivor, you get matched with potatoes who blow skill checks, don't touch gens, creep around the map into a corner, etc. As a killer, these trials are awesome. But the catch is that the more you win, the better survivors you go up against. Until finally you are consistently matched with the most elite, seal team 6 teams sweatlords imaginable. Gone is the shy Claudette self caring in the corner. Replaced by the Sable running adrenaline, DS, dead hard, sprintburst. With three other Sables. All with flashlights. And a map offering.

I also think it's comical how enraged some DBD players get whenever a killer mentions going up against a swf. Like you could have a four Steve squad, with matching cosmetics and gamer tags, all running the same build with the same offerings, and some rando in the replies will go, "How dare you say they were a swf! How do you know?!"

The truth is that any experienced killer knows that a swf plays completely differently than a solo q team. It's a completely different beast facing people who are all on coms, telling each other where you are on the map, what pallets have been dropped, coordinating saves, etc. Hey, I mean if people get upset by the mention of "swf", I'd say, PLAY SWFY, GET CALLED SWFY.

not gonna happen since the game is SWF oriented… killers and solo survivor players must suffer for that… take it or leave it, it's a simple choice after all…

Even better bring back ranks that reset properly sending the red ranks back to greens

Nope love it too cause 95% of the time I get to play a full match vs them(swf) without having any baby rage quit vs solo q baby rage quitting Timmy. People seem to like my wesker and trickster because I don't really play too sweaty and love to mess around mostly specially if I see any of my re babies in the team.

I also have a soft spot for yunjin,yoichi quintens and Trevor's as I love those chars too well my Leon and Yochi is p100 working on trevor next, am gay so yeah gonna have a 3rd male p100 survivor xd. I do need to work on Ada however since re2 is my fav re. I also tend to get alot of positives in my stream which is what I aim for.

I forgot to quote @Spare_Them_Mori_Me cause mobile weird sometimes .

Why? There are things in the game that aren't fun but an overgeneralisation like: "Playing against SWFs is unfun." isn't helpful to anyone.

What about a SWF, in general, is so unfun?

Its 2024, stop complaining about squad based teams in a squad based game. Where teamwork is key for your survival.

In the age of cod, fortnite, overwatch, streaming, etc, complaining about multi-player teams in a multi-player game is really bizarre to me.

as a killer main myself thats wrong

swf isnt that bad so it can just be a skill issue

In my experience every 4 person SWF just bullies as in not doing gens and seeks out the killer to head on and other BS tactics. Granted I know not all are like that it is just seeing this I get the slugging and tunneling more. I don't play killer often maybe once or twice a day but in the end it is just the constant sliding over pallets, the flashlight spam, the head on (I really avoid lockers anymore when carrying or chasing). The thing though that really irritates me is that all three remaining players can crouch and really dictate where the killer goes. Now I'm on console and you can tell a PC player because the struggle with a mouse is strong and I really feel there is a huge disadvantage here. The thing is if I am not tunneling or doing anything toxic, why be crappy players? Maybe I don't find it funny and I don't that as a survivor. I don't tbag or stay at the gate to taunt because that's just bad. I have gotten 3 swfs that do the same thing but they are pretty tame. I just feel that this game is going in a toxic crapper because of all the players wanting to torment and it shouldn't be that way.

DBD definitely has some players with a crappy attitude just like any other only game. What makes it a bit special in DBD is that it feels more personal because it's a 1v4.

I have played against plenty of bully squads and I know from experience how awful it feels, if you can't seem to do anything against that. However, there is a reason why most bully squad videos end up with the survivors dying.

You can flip the tables as long as you remain calm because these kinds of survivors put themselves in dangerous situations. There is only one scenario on Dead Dawg Saloon that I would refuse to play because they will always succeed in making the match miserable.

With that said, I have found that there aren't that many bully squads out there anymore. Most SWFs are just like any solo group you play against but slightly more coordinated.

Usually you will want to use at least one info perk so that you aren't at the mercy of the survivors to find anyone. Nowhere To Hide is probably the best to counter this specific issue but one more won't hurt. Lightborn is also a very nice perk if you see 2+ flashlights in a lobby. Most of the time it's not very impactful but whenever you end up against a bully squad with flashlights, Lightborn is your best friend.

I think DBD has more of a problem with sore winners than anything else and it's weird because I don't understand the mindset behind it. If someone wins, then why do they feel the need to diminish their win by being a jerk?

Overall though I think that the amount of toxic players isn't as high as it seems. Humans are just wired to remember the bad way more than the good, so you will be under the impression that this happens more often and once you start looking for it, confirmation bias does the rest. You expect people to be toxic so you will find toxicity where there is none.

The best advice I can give you is to run Lightborn and just play for fun for a while. That can help with your attitude towards the game and other players a lot.

Anyway, I hope you'll have some more fun matches soon. Good luck and see you in the fog.

If you read closely, you'd have noticed this wasn't about balance at all but about SWFs that are more akin to bully squads.

Also, you said, that you didn't care about losing. So why are we having a balance discussion? That makes no sense to me.

Anyway, the game will not pare you with a bunch of players that are good on their own but now suddenly play in a SWF and also have the experience to communicate effectively. So their MMR is going to plateau with the all the advantages of a SWF accounted for. Meaning you still have a chance to win and your match isn't going to be much harder just because these people play in a SWF.

This also explains why SWFs only have a marginally higher escape rate than solo survivors as @Darcalus said, which only differs in high MMR. And before you start, it is very unlikely you are actually at highest MMR. The devs confirmed that the MMR distribution for players looks close to a bell shape (few people at the bottom, most of us around the middle and few people high up). Meaning, you will not notice much of a difference even when you do play against a full SWF.

DBD's balance is so specific that it's not as simple as 2+2=4 at all. It's closer to x^x=0. We don't use 50% kill rates as a balance metric but 60%. That already tilts everything drastically and if you bring in statistics, you'll find that SWF escape rates are within 1 standard deviation.

the mmr doesnt count for swf as date the only thing that matters for mmr its scapes-deaths-time in the game-teammates that made it alieve

You're missing the point. You don't play against 4 people that that all got their MMR on that level in solo queue matches and then just happen to play in a SWF. If you would, then the match would be quite similar to a solo queue game because they'd lack the experience to communicate properly.

before my break i was playing with tournaments blights and nurse daily and one of my teammates that i play with a lot of times, was a comp player that was part of multiple tournaments

Good for you. But this claim isn't exactly new. We've had so many people claim they play in tournaments / with tournament players that I put 0 trust in this.

Either way, your kill rate should still exceed 50%. Even against those SWFs. So one could make the argument that the balance still tilted towards killers.

Nurse isnt he lowest kill rate killer in game. Ghostface is much lower then she is in kill%.