Let's get rid of the training wheels

Lightborn should not be infinitely be blocking flashlights or flashbangs, killers wanna use this it's a team game argument when said killers are denying a team play of saving someone with a flashlight. 4 use of immunity then back to using proper play style of looking around before auto picking up people in fear if someone is trying to save.

Not until BHVR fixes console performance. I stopped being able to counter blinds on console when dedicated servers became a thing. I've been blinded by survivors who aren't in my FOV, blinded at 90-degree angles, blinded when I'm not even in animation lock because I guess I can't turn my camera fast enough for the game or latency or something, I dunno.

Leave Lightborn alone. I almost never see it and the few times I do it's usually another console player. If you think console killers are going to just play against flashlights without Lighborn, then you don't realize how miserable the console performance issues can be. "Using proper play style of looking around." Not only does that sound ridiculous, saying that the opposition has a "proper play style," but that's not what will happen. If Lightborn has a limited number of stacks, killers will either 1. slug everyone when the stacks run out, have fun on the ground; or 2. they will go stare at an exit gate and you will get to play gen repair sim. Those are what I did before I ran Lightborn.

There are other ways to get saves than using blinds. Body blocking and sabo'ing and pallets and perks that help survivors get off the killer's shoulder all still exist. If you really want to force the killer to slug, you don't need a flashlight for it.

I'll never understand the Lightborn complaints. I see it so rarely. And when I do see it, like I said, it's almost always another console player. Even against a team with four flashlights, I see killers bring Franklin's, not Lightborn. And even when I do see Lightborn and even if I'm desperate to get blinds because I'm working on a Tome challenge or achievement, Lightborn still doesn't bother me. It's such a non-issue. It's often the mark of a player who is tired of fighting performance issues playing this game.

Side note before all say then woo should get nerfed by all means go ahead cause I don't use it, bond I hate that perk too cause it's a killer perk used by survivors and all survivor perks cept woo are so mediocre to worthless.

Good to know that just because you don't use something it's cool if it gets destroyed. I like WoO. I used to run it all the time because it's so damn useful in solo q to know what pallets my teammates already wasted. I rarely run Bond but Empathy was a perk I used to run 100% of the time. These days, I run Bardic Inspiration instead of WoO and about half the time I replace Empathy with Plot Twist, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't care if either got destroyed. They're both good perks. WoO can be annoying to play against for killers but solo q is goddamn hell for survivors, so in the battle of who's-more-miserable survivors win in this case, WoO should be left alone.

Omg boiler great wiggle= nerf

Boil Over is a terrible perk in that it has always greatly screwed over console killers while PC killers hardly notice it. Normal non-Boil-Over wiggle hurts on console. I can always tell when I'm playing against a console killer by the way normal wiggle knocks them around. Even with it nerfed, I often still have to slug Boil Over players and just let them bleed out unless they crawl to a hook. It's such awful perk design, the only counter is slugging.

If BHVR wants to separate this game into two separate groups, a version for PC players and a version for console players, I'm all for it. Players have to keep cross-play enabled if they want to get a match but I'd really prefer not to play with PC players. So please, convince BHVR to separate the two groups of platforms and then on PC there can be nerfed Lightborn and buffed Boil Over and whatever else and console players won't be punished by it.

Bad news for you I don't care or complain about 4 slow down

You don't speak for everyone. Most people don't want to spend 20 minutes sitting on gens as their entire match. Is sitting on gens actually fun for anyone? It's so boring. I've had killers be nice to me and my friend because our teammates suicided at 5 gens and one of us will just ask to be killed because who wants to spend that much time on gens?

You want to nerf aura perks, which encourage interaction between killers and survivors, and you don't care about gen slow down, and gens are the second most boring thing in this game (the most boring thing is playing hide and seek: it's not fun to crouch around behind rocks doing nothing nor is it fun to go searching behind every rock).

The way you express your opinions gives the impression you don't care about the experiences of others in this game. Phrases like "by all means go ahead cause I don't use it." "Bad news for you I don't care." "Hmm I still am needing an answer." It's alienating to anyone who tries to converse with you. People who seem to lack empathy remove themselves from the group, they make themselves outsiders, and because they don't display respect for others, they and their opinions receive no respect in return. In other words, the way you express yourself makes people want to disagree with you. They will look for reasons to disagree with you simply to not be on your side of the argument. You may not care what other forum members think or say, but games are developed by people, not emotionless computers.

 I play on both ps5 and PC and I don't feel no difference in any thing with killer or survivor wiggling or killer struggling.

I play on PS4 and Switch. There's a big difference between PS4 and Switch, it's horrendously bad on Switch. And I can tell a difference as survivor when I play against a console killer and a PC killer. Console killers get thrown around and stuck on the environment constantly. PC killers walk in a straight line like I'm not struggling at all. If you think PS5 players should be separated into the PC-only group, that's cool. I think a lot of players on PS4, Switch, and Xbox One would just like to feel like the game's not trying to crush us by pitting us against players who don't deal with many of our performance issues. Hell, as someone who plays survivor on Switch, I see Switch killers struggle to connect a hit. Against someone else playing on Switch. For god's sake, we're on the same console but it affects the killers so much worse. And then the game forces Switch players to play with PC? Goddamn.

The devs even stated the reasons for the Boil Over nerf were 1. survivors going to spots where they could not be hooked and killers were forced to slug, and 2. console was negatively affected by the wiggle much more so than PC, and the devs don't want to widen the gap between console and PC. (Don't want to, but always do by designing killers who suck on controller. And DbD still doesn't have basic necessary controller options like dead zone and response curve.)

To all of what you say lighborn wise nice try but no it's common and even if it's just 1 or 0 flashlight they have it

Must be a region/MMR thing. No idea what server Texas is on, but that's my server. The killers I go against don't waste a perk slot on Lightborn unless they're on console, and even then it's rare. I see Lightborn a few times a month, maybe.

If it really is common for you to see Lightborn, it might be because flashbangs are uncounterable during pickup, even when staring at a wall. Maybe if the devs fixed that issue, Lightborn would return to its normal usage rate of nearly zero. Players shouldn't be required to use a perk to counter a bug/oversight, and yet that is how DbD works. It's like how so many players feel that Iron Will is required to play their favorite character because some are louder than others. I play Jeff without Iron Will, I understand I am going to die unless the killer lets me go. That's just something I have to accept right now, and I do accept it because I'd rather die than give up one of my chosen perks for Iron Will, but the devs need to fix survivors so their injured volumes aren't so inconsistent.

First of all if you read properly I brought up windows since all the killer mains make 1million qq topics about nerfing it and just mention incase anyone of them to use it as a counter as to why am asking for the killer aura perks nerf. Am expecting the oh woo should be nerf comeback

Your words: "before all say then woo should get nerfed by all means go ahead cause I don't use it". So, you're saying, go ahead, argue for it to be nerfed, you don't care because you don't use it. And I'm saying, I do sometimes use it and I care about people saying it should be nerfed because I don't think it should be nerfed. You're the one bringing it up. You could've just said "Don't make this an us vs them, this isn't about survivor perks, this is about killer perks." Instead you specifically picked on WoO. You did.

You are creating arguments with the things you say. You're not heading them off or mitigating arguments, you're creating them by expressing yourself in a manner that comes across as antagonistic. And you bring up survivor perks, talking about how they were nerfed, like survivors and killers started off perfectly balanced and every nerf to survivors has created a greater imbalance, but that's not the case. This game has never been perfectly balanced. Not ever.

Which part of me said anything about others and gen perk preference.

When you said "Bad news for you I don't care or complain about 4 slow down" it sounds dismissive, like gen slow down is perfectly fine and anyone who does complain is wrong. That's how what you say comes across due to your words and the tone they infer.

Knowing that you do care about others' preference for gen slow down is good, because my opinion is the opposite: I don't want to go against killers running 4 gen slowdown perks. It's boring. Sitting on gens is boring. I prefer going against aura perks. I don't mind dying, but I mind a long drawn out boring match. My teammates' progress on gens comes to a grinding halt the moment they're slightly inconvenienced. At least if the killer hits them near the gen, I or my friend sees where they were and we can go save their gen before it regresses to zero (unless they run circles around the gen… and many of them do). If it's a gen slowdown perk that stops them and not the killer seeing them and getting a hit, then we'll have no idea where the gen is. Which is one of the reasons an aura perk is preferable to gen slowdown. Another is that some gen slowdown works without the killer being anywhere nearby whereas an aura perk requires the killer to intervene themself to get the survivor off the gen. The killer doing something themself = the killer is occupied. That's a good thing for the rest of the team. (Theoretically, anyway. If the team bothers to use their time effectively. God solo queue sucks.)

I'm not arguing that gen slowdown should be nerfed, I'm just saying that too much slowdown can lead to very boring matches. Too much aura reading has never been an issue to me, except maybe all-seeing Wraith being annoying when we're on RPD and people have burned four flans, but that might be a skill issue and I don't come across all-seeing Wraith very often, anyway. Personally, I don't have any vendetta against a particular perk that I can think of at the moment (I might be forgetting something). Most truly problematic perks have been nerfed: Tinkerer cut down to once per gen, Dying Light no longer being a tunnel-out-the-obsession perk, Undying only works once, Sloppy Butcher has a time limit (it still feels horribly annoying as survivor, but it feels nearly useless as killer, so I'm not really sure how to feel about that one), Nurse's blink attacks count as special attacks and don't work with Exposed perks (which means there some perks that need to get un-nerfed, actually).

Meanwhile, the changes to maps are horrendous, the maps need fixing; in my experience those are doing more damage than any perks. The new map tiles are godawfully useless and I get stuck as both survivor and killer on the junk in the environment. Maps, console performance, and the horrible state of SBMM (escapes are inconsequential, I want teammates who participate and play at a level similar to my own, escapes are not necessarily a determining factor in whether or not someone is a good teammate) are the things that I see negatively affecting my matches.