Devs address giving up on hook already!

Yes but they won't.

If anything the kill rates are too low as some survivors on nightlight are escaping like 45% of the time. Some killers have under a 60% kill rate.

Fun times are over for survivors.

Say it with me now, it's only going to get worse.

I've just accepted that this is how it is. I've moved past denial onto acceptance lol.

Escape rate is exactly tied to kill rate. If they aren't dying they are escaping.

They are the same metric.

It is you who doesn't understand how that works.

For your mythical mafematics feory to pan out you have to account for every possible outcome. Some games you will 4k, some you will 0k, 1k, 2k. You can't just take every possible outcome and say ItS aVeRaGe Of 2k So PeRfEcTlY bAlAnCeD, it is wildly misleading and incorrect. There are many possibles of combinations that fit because kill rate and win rate are not the same.

The only thing you can say is 60% kill rate means 40% escape rate.

Then you have to remember that you take away games with a dc, hook suicide etc before the stats are released. This means solo queue is absolute ass to play and a waste of time and killer is baby mode easy.

Really, because I’ve been active on this forum since 2018 whereas your profile was only made March this year. Or are you going to say you’ve been lurking all this time ‘trust me’ lol.

if you check my posts a little bit deeper, i pay attention to problems on both sides, not like some people who keep accusing everyone else for their own lack of game knowledge :)

The problem is that yall aren't looking at the game in it's entirety... it's ALL an unprotected game loop. As killer, your annoying time wasting/unfun situations include

1. 2v1 when survivors don't progress gens and hide

2. bullying swfs

3. Early hook deaths (outside of your doing)

But on the flip side, you have actual "strategies" that allow you to inflict the same pain.

1. Same 2v1 in which you only proxy 2+ gens, knowing that isn't feasible for survivors.
2. Actively tunneling
3. Face camping outside of AFC
4. Bleeding survivors out (4 whole minutes)

The game has effectively told people, it's okay for YOU, the killer, to be able to target me (the survivor) and end my game early leaving me tilted. Or you can stretch my game out longer and leave me on the ground for a 3rd of the average trial time. Those are STRATEGIES though.

The argument seems to be, if you die on hook early, you're harming multiple peoples games so it should be fixed. Understandable. But survivors are not a legion. I do not get to jump to another's body and continue the fight. As an individual, I'm concerned primarily with my fun. So appealing to group fun, when I don't know any of you AND can't speak to you usually, is not effective especially when u want them to consider the killers fun.

Getting rid of hook attempts doesn't make sense to me.

Players dont respond to punishments, they respond to benifits. Its simply not human nature, once someone decides to disengage they are done. Once it happens you're just wasting everyone's time in a lost game. Want players to stop suiciding on hook, incentivize staying on hook. Want more players to stick around in a lost game? Add alternate escape options for 2 people instead of just 1 for the hatch at the end. Like say there are 5 gens left and its a 3v1 make it possible for 2 people to survive without having to do all 5 gen's but can do a secondary object that they need to complete for the alternate route.

If you wanna solve things constantly with a heavy hand, all you'll have is a plethora of otherwise good players to benefit the player base. Reporting should be reserved mostly for cheaters and players using profanity as well players that just consistently take trolling too far.

Lol, how is it a "look where that's gotten us situation" when such things haven't even been implemented. Try your punishment option and all you'll leave in your wake is a bunch of disgruntled gamer just saying the game's not worth it.

If you think you can control people by saying oh, if you don't do what I say ill punish you works. Then clearly you know nothing about people and nothing about keeping a game engaging.

I asked for a favor, but again you dont care and went on a pointless rant that doesn't correlate to anything I said. Why are you bringing up my definition of fun when Ive said nothing that even points to what my direction of fun is? For what I said, fun is irrelevant. My point ties to human nature itself and your argument ties around how everyone should feel guilty and ashamed because they took themselves out of a situation they don't find fun. Is that selfish, yes. It ruins a game that others probably were enjoying to some degree. But since when were people benevolent enough to care about that, especially when its so quick to get a new game.

People respond well to things they find fun and benefit them as much as possible. The more you can make that apply to as many people as possible in each individual game, and the less you'll see people take finding their fun into their own hands.

Oh, and dont reply to me again, im almost certain you dont even read 90 percent of my post, and though you wont take advice in this regard. You should stop trying to shove burnout down peoples throats. You don't have to be burned out to ######### on hook or stop playing seriously. Fact of the matter is, you dont really know what anyone's thinking when they do, so you should stop acting like you do. You're projecting your own insecurities on me right and its cumbersome. My proof of that is how every time you respond, points that I don't even mention magically appear in your own writings. If not projection, how else is that supposed to appear there? Oh, and quit making it personal. You keep saying you you you specifically like im the one who personally took your cheerio's. Rather insulting.

Glad you're reading from beginning to end. I wouldn't have guessed from how you responded.

2. I appreciate the opinion, but we'll agree to disagree. I get just as disappointed as the next man when I lose because someone quits, but I acknowledge they owe me nothing and have little to no expectations of a random individual with his own objectives. There's no imaginary rulebook that you're making up right now. People will simply do what they want just like what you're doing right now. If trust was my expectation then id form my own party to play with. If you cant get that, then its not my problem. Discounting me from being the type for pvp though is rather shallow when you know nothing about how I play. You seem to think that I'm just the kind of person that just leaves at the first sign of trouble, but I like to escape and win just as much as the next one. I've played my fair share of hopeless games just off the slime chance that we can make a comeback. So as much as you're entitled to your own opinion, frankly you're not qualified to judge me or anyone else. If that's all you can see from this conversation then id say you're perception is disappointingly shallow. There wont be any other responses from me so go ahead and get the last word, I wont respond again.

You too have a good day.

Removing unhooking doesn't resolve anything. As the survivor can either just chase the killer around accomplishing nothing, or afk at the hook which again accomplishes nothing. Though I think killer would prefer the latter as it basically gives them an as much time to look for the hiding last survivor as they want, which might be while they are pushing the idea so hard. Because to me it is blatantly clear that the ones who want to give up on hook to go to next match. Aren't going to suddenly feel forced to have to finish the match up after a change like this. So all you have accomplished is made killers stronger and still not fixed the actual issue.

Said killer is also for Iri shards so people paying $ for it is on them.