As I see more posts demanding nerfs of more survivor perks, I feel like uninstalling this game

first of all, many killer mains were vouching for Predator in it's current state NOT to reach live servers, especially because people knew there will be players slapping this perk on e.g. Nurse for going full autopilot mode.

Next, yall still don't realize how much current MMR system bottlenecks power of survivor role, so you should be definitely thankful game doesn't have better MMR system (tho with better MMR system WoO probably wouldn't even be nerfed since good players don't even use it and thus there is no great risk of people crutching on it), because if it did and if the game actually was balanced around high skill level, you would see much more perks getting nerfs than you are seeing now.

How do I feel as a player class knowing that the other side is clearly favoured and the developers will listen to their every demand?

are we now intentionally ignoring all the nerfs other side gets just for the sake of pushing us vs. them narrative in a desperate attempt to get some upvotes? These are not Steam forums where you get Steam XP and points for Points Shop for farming awards through this kind of threads.

And pease tell me when was the last time killer role got an actually significantly impactful basekit change? Killers got the only meta that was on their side for years nerfed again and it's still meta because there is still nothing actually better to use.

We are going over another similar case to people defending previous Distortion that heavily encouraged never getting better at chases, but now with acting like WoO is not a perk that encourages crutching on it for chases. I think Chaos Shuffle was more than enough to show how lost yall are when you don't have WoO simply because you never bothered to use it for it's intended purpose.

How do I feel as a player class knowing that the other side is clearly favoured and the developers will listen to their every demand?

This isn't societal class oppression. This is a video game. If you're actually this distraught over people having opinions you disagree with, maybe these forums aren't the best place for you. You can stop looking at them any time you want.

It's wild people can make posts like this while ignoring already quite commonly used perks like Flashbang and Blast Mine have just been buffed by double, 2 perks which can get very high value just by doing something in a match you are going to be doing anyway, you dont have to go out your way for them at all. I feel people are massively overrating Predator, a perk what was absolutely trash before to now being meh at best as theres definitely way better Aura perks to be used. Predator has a 40 second cooldown which means in a top elo match a killer is getting 4-5 uses of this perk at most while you could kick the same gen 8 times and potentially get Nowhere to Hide Value till the gen kick becomes blocked.

People seem to also forget Saboteur was also massively buffed to the point of where even Save the Best for Last struggles against it, a perk which was also nerfed harshly due to survivor complaints so you now you just lose stacks by default if Obession gets injured.

this is why i think Nurse should suffer from Blindness status effect during blink charge

I'm confused, aren't we in the middle a huge survivor perk buff streak?

• Decisive Strike
• Invocation: Weaving Spiders
• Autodidact
• Empathic Connection
• Iron Will
• Resurgence
• Solidarity
• Poised
• Babysitter
• Dance With Me
• Blast Mine
• Chemical Trap
• Wiretap
• Mirrored Illusion
• Chemical Trap
• Flashbang
• Bloodrush
• WGLF
• Quick Gambit
• Teamwork: Power of Two
• Teamwork: Collective Stealth
• Lucky Star
• Inner Focus
• Corrective Action

Vs. Nerfs for:

• Background Player
• Buckle Up
• Distortion

Not all of these have become meta, but they are better across the board, with some of them becoming pretty damned strong... and some of them have even become meta.

There are just as many popular killer perks that have been hit with nerfs over the same time period and nowhere near the same number of buffs for perks that survivors are enjoying. Instead changes for killer side more often come in the form of power increases for weaker killers like Clown, Pig, Trapper, but there are also nerfs for stronger ones like Blight, Twins, Hillbilly.

Doesn't it seem a bit off to complain "killers are getting stronger perks" when the argument is way stronger that survivors are getting far more stronger perks?

Doesn't it seem a bit off to complain "killers are getting stronger perks" when the argument is way stronger that survivors are getting far more stronger perks?

This feels like your intentionally misunderstanding the point.

How many "powerful perks" have survivors gotten during chapter releases? Maybe 3, and those have been nerfed since.

Putting up something like "weaving spiders got a buff, you should be happy" is just insane. Do you realize that even with the buff it received, it's still a killer perk. The only excuse for running this perk is that you're either a Sable fan and are playing your first game, or have a challenge and never even consider starting the invocation.

That's how bad the newer perks have been for survivor for about two years now. When a perk comes through that's even "decent" it gets deleted, and maybe they polish the turd they dropped on it later. Iron will is in your list, and this is that scenario.

There's a couple in there that are "fun perks" like chemical trap, or flashbang, but aside from those or DS (couldn't even get to 5s without complaints) or dance with me, most of those perks are still not good enough to use. Even some of the ones I mentioned are "because you want to for fun", not because "it solves my problem in game".

Trying to just list all of the microscopic buffs without any context feels really disingenuous here. Most of these perks have been nerfed and didn't even come close to breaking even. And new survivor perks aren't even worth discussing for most chapters. They're adept fodder.

And anything even remotely close to usable gets incessant posts clamoring for nerfs that also suspiciously seems to make it into the patch notes an awful lot (distortion being the latest, woo is the next target). That's what people generally mean when they say survivors don't get good perks.

Seems a bit funny to accuse me of intentionally misunderstanding and being disingenuous when I've merely listed all of the perks that have been changed for survivor over the past few patches. Believe it or not it is possible to have an opinion in the middle. You can support buffs and nerfs for both killer and survivor on individual bases, but when someone says something untrue, it doesn't help in keeping a balanced perspective, and instead "poisons the well". This is in the category of "bad" and needs to be challenged.

Killers have recently been getting more and more powerful perks (for example recent Predator buff) and survivors have had more perks nerfed.

This line is blatantly untrue, especially when you consider a significant number of the meta perks killer recently had nerfed. All the main gen regression perks for killer have been hit significantly, and we don't tend to see the full gen regression builds anymore, and if we do, they aren't anywhere near as strong as they once were… meanshile survivor perks have been mostly buffed across the board,

Providing factual information is not being biased just because it doesn't support your chosen narrative.

@NarkoTri1er already did a great rundown, but what is disingenuous is cherry picking the worst perks from my list as your examples of Survivors having bad perks and not ackowledging the slew of tools that have been made good for survivor.

• Resurgence basically makes self-heal with medkits not just viable but very strong, and even on it's own is amazing for straight resetting and limiting tunneling.
• WGLF is now a very strong anti-slug perk, and combined with MFT is actually reliably good now.
• Babysitter is exceptionally good for anti-tunnel now, as is Bloodrush.
• Decisive Strike was still usable at high level at 3s, and is now even better across all levels… the fact you scoff at this perk getting reduced from 5 to 4 is questionable given how strong it still currently is.
• Poised is now an excellent info perk, especially combined with Eyes of Belmont. Even if you can't touch a gen, when a gen pops in chase you get both a 5s aura read AND no scratch marks for 10s. I've been very surprised how easy it is to lose a killer completely at a tile and make instane distance off this combo.

I'm well aware that not all perks in the list are meta… but there are quite a few of them that are pretty strong now, and at least ackowledging that would do your argument a power of good.

I know you’re angling to say survivors have it better than killer and I stopped taking you seriously when I read “strong” and saw Weaving Spiders but most of these perks aren’t strong and weren’t buffed to become strong. And for every perk survivors have had buffed, killers have also had a perk buffed so it’s a 1:1 ratio.

Ok, lets see over the same period.

Killer perks buffed:

• Grim Embrace (technically nerfed in this period, but it's buffed from its original version, so lets be fair, it's still buffed)
• Darkness Revealed
• Trail of Torment
• Oppression
• Dragon's Grip
• Machine Learning
• Blood Echo
• Deathbound
• Genetic Limits
• Hex: Crowd Control
• Leverage
• Machine Learning
• Predator
• THWACK! (Debatably nerfed)
• Zanshin Tactics

Killer perks nerfed:

• Deadlock
• Pop Goes The Weasel
• Scourge Hook: Pain Resonance
• Dead Man's Switch (Debatably buffed)

Overall

Killer perks:

• Buffed: 15
• Meta buffed: 3? (Grim Embrace, Hex: Crowd Control, Leverage), other perks are good, but are they game changing/meta?
• Nerfed: 4
• Meta Nerfed: 3 (debatable on DMS)

Survivors perks:

• Buffed: 24
• Meta Buffed: 7 (Decisive Strike, Iron Will, Resurgence, Poised, Babysitter, WGLF, Bloodrush). Similarly other perks are good, but do that beat other perks out?
• Nerfed: 3
• Meta Nerfed: 3? (is Distortion meta?)

So the divide isn't quite as one sided as I personally believed until I counted it. Yes survivor got more and one could try to argue that way, but is would be unreasonable to call it as big a landslide one way as my original post hinted… but y'know sucks when I have to go against my narrative.

However regardless, the original point of the OP I was challenging is still stacked unfairly one way.

Let's have more perks that apply Blindness for periods of time that are actually meaningful. Then we'll have an effective counter to WoO.

Of course, then there will be a cacophony of screaming to have it nerfed, so good luck with having those buffs actually last.

not my problem that average survivor player acts like their role is ridiculously underpowered, while at the same time playing like they don't have a team in soloQ. Game shouldn't be balanced around your soloQ teammates acting like they can do whatever they want since "it's soloQ"

i already stated my opinion above.

On the Steam page for DbD it says "Survive Together… Or Not -

i think this sentence is taken out of context way too much and that it would rather mean "sometimes all of you will survive, sometimes not".

If BHVR wants to design the survivor role so that they encourage survivor players to be selfish, then it is BHVR's responsibility to actually balance the game so their purported "player autonomy" doesn't tank matches and make solo queue miserable.

if BHVR did more moves towards making the game more team dependant, making core MMR gain outcome be impacted by overall team result, i'm pretty sure there will again be many players who would still play soloQ the way they play it rn.

We are basically talking exclusively about killrates-escape rates, but as soon as there is team aspect of survivor role mentioned, we always have to come up with something just to justify mindset of players