If Hooking we’re incentivized, what incentives would you want to see?

After hooking a survivor, every survivor screams revealing their aura for 18 seconds. Every gen loses 15% of its total progress, survivors will have 45 seconds of mangled after being unhooked and survivors only have 15 seconds to pull their teammate off the hook until phase 2 hits.

I’d love this, thank you. 😅🤣🤪🥸

Faster movement speed for 30 seconds as a reward and motivation to go out into the world and find a new Survivor.

Wouldn’t apply to death hook.

Because of how strong and easy tunneling is compared to spreading hooks, there is no real incentive that would make spreading hooks better than tunneling without flat-out breaking the game if the killer chooses to tunnel. So any incentives would have to come after huge tunnel prevention changes.

But ignoring that (we could always push incentives first and see how bad it gets), basekit 60s of gen blocking on the generator closest to the hook and a 10 or 15% pop after hooking a survivor you haven't hooked in a row. Now I don't have to worry about someone insta unhooking and two-manning a nearly completed gen by the hook, and I get a little incentive to go away and apply my pop somewhere else. The gen blockage also means I'm disincentivized from camping the gen by the hook or hooking by a gen to pop and then camp it.

• I have a few suggestions (I'm not suggesting all get implemented; just that there are many ways to incentivize it)

• Provide a gen repair speed debuff while all survivors are alive and replace the debuff with a gen speed repair buff that scales higher with each dead survivor. Theoretically, this should switch the balance to a 1K to 3K being more likely than a 4E or 4K

Put Ruin back at 200% but deactivating upon survivor death

Let Pain Res activate upon each hook but it deactivates upon survivor death

For pure incentives I like the serious incentives listed above as well. My general thought is I like gen defence being more powerful while all survivors are alive to slow down survivors at the strongest point for them and increasing survivor gen repair speed the more that survivors get sacrificed. That way, snowballs on either side become less likely and it's more likely each side gets a chance to play instead of getting stomped.

I also have no idea why my formatting is so messed up on this post 🥲

I mainly talked about old BBQs bloodpoint bonus, BUT there is also this to consider: every killer back in the days had BBQ equipped for the bloodpoints, but each hook also showed them opporunities and peeled them off the hook naturally. So what if the killer got a base BBQ with a single survivor that has the least ammount of hooks? That would have a similar effect, especially if combined with the other effects we mentioned.

We just need more perks that activate on hook that are actually viable and not trash.

New characters, perks and items will always be released. There will always be something to grind for.

I think the killer needs to be sneakier. Every time a survivor completes a gen, it should turn into a hook, and the survivor is on it.

And every time you go to unhook a survivor, the unhooked survivor turns into a hook, and you are on it.

For real though, probably something small, like if you leave the hook for a large enough distance for a certain amount of time, you get killer instinct to indicate the rough region of another target. I think slugging as a strategy against bully squads needs to remain viable though, so I like the idea of promoting hooks with a very small bonus.

Killer instinct reveal on other least hooked survivors, maybe an increasing global regression/gen block for every consecutive "freshest" (least hooked) survivor so killer is encouraged to repeatedly go after different people and actually afford to do that more.

But I doubt this will really help. The moment game starts to go even a little south, it would be unlikely any fair amount of reward for getting those hooks will make it possible for killer to make a comeback. And people don't really enjoy playing out already lost matches.

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I'd change the aura reading part to killer instinct, similar to Legion, that goes away after a few seconds with a small temp move speed buff, that way the killer is still incentivised to leave the hook but isn't given direct info for free, you'd still need a perk or add-ons for that.

ETA: But there would have to be a movement speed debuff/penelty for hooking the same survivor within a short timespan (say 20-60 seconds), that way there's no incentive to just tunnel/camp one person out for the bonus BP.

May I suggest using Devour Hope? It's a great perk precisely for the reason that it incentivizes leaving hooks and spreading out hooks, and yet still allowing you to win decisively, giving you that Mori ability.

On the chance however that this topic was created with the silly notion that "slugging is better than hooking" and needing incentives to hook altogether: tunnelling and camping are the strongest, most reliable killing strategies, there can be no greater incentive than that.

What is needed are incentives specifically to not camp and tunnel, as well as some moderate nerfs to those strategies. Perk-based incentives would already go a long way to change up the meta of playstyles. A lot of killer perks could be a lot stronger - as long as the killer isn't tunnelling much. Grim Embrace is a good example of a perk that encourages spreading out hooks, although it still doesn't go far enough as it doesn't actually punish tunnelling, granting the same effect even if you tunnel out one survivor and only then get the fresh hooks on the others. Changing it to something where the time it blocks gens for depends on the number of gens left at the time of each fresh hook would much more directly encourage spreading out hooks from the get-go, as well as punish players that go for the same survivors or stick around hooks, as more gens getting completed in the meantime obviously leads to further fresh hooks granting less blockage.

Similarly, Pain Resonance could regress its gen by a much heftier chunk of progress, but that amount being decreased if any survivor has reached struggle stage. Or it could have a somewhat heftier regression, but be disabled completely if any survivor dies. Pop Goes The Weasel could grant more regression on fresh hooks than consecutive hooks, or just more regression but being disabled once a survivor dies, or yet much more regression but only on the gen furthest from the hook that has progress (which it would highlight for the killer). BBQ could gain tokens again, granting a movement speed increase for every token, but any survivor hitting struggle stage removing a token. It would also be beneficial for it to show the auras of survivors without hook stages only (no distance requirement), until everyone has a hook stage, then as per usual showing all auras beyond 40m. Ruin could grant the 200% base regression again, but be disabled automatically again once a survivor dies, as well as perhaps reduced to 150% once any survivor hits struggle stage. Call Of Brine/Overcharge could increase regression rate by a lot more, scaling with how many survivors are still alive and/or haven't hit struggle. And so on.

There could also be base incentives though, of course. Base kick regression could be increased to half a charge per second, decreasing back to a quarter once any survivor hits struggle stage. Killers could get a permanent movement speed boost, stacking for every fresh hook, as long as no survivor has hit struggle. Or it could simply change the specifics of the Bloodlust mechanic, scaling with fresh hooks (e. g. after the second fresh hook, instead of 15/25/35s, Bloodlust kicks in after 10/20/30s; 5/15/25s on the third fresh hook; and after the fourth fresh hook, the killer constantly has Bloodlust I, Bloodlust II kicking in after 10 seconds, III 20s - once any survivor hits struggle stage, Bloodlust reverts to its normal behaviour; if any survivor dies, Bloodlust is disabled). Pallet-breaking speeds could be increased until a survivor hits struggle stage. There are countless possible ideas for both base and perk-based incentives against tunnelling/camping, that give killers significant power-ups and notable regression/slowdown effects, as long as survivors aren't hitting struggle stage or dying.

Moderate nerfs to camping and tunnelling could also come in many forms, from buffing survivors in those scenarios (showing the aura of the most-recently unhooked survivor to all other survivors, making unhook Endurance unhook invincibility, increasing repair speeds if the killer is around the hook/chasing the most-recently unhooked survivor, or if a survivor has been sacrificed (depending on how many hook stages happened before that point or how many gens got repaired), showing the anti-facecamp meter to all survivors, …) to nerfing killers' ease of employing these strategies, such as by removing the auras of hooks survivors are hanging on, removing the unhook explosion notification, not showing the hook life bar of the survivor to the killer - we just accept that these things are that way, but why are they? They directly encourage and support camping and tunnelling.

Passive slowdown for each survivor on hook

Basekit BBQ & Chili with increased BP bonus