So when's the Oni 180 exploit being addressed?

Oni has been a toxic killer to face on console for years. No feedback ever whenever anyone complains about it.

Really? It doesn't make him OP? He's clunky as a plain M1, sure, because either you get an early injure or you lose because you have no power. But with a good start and the 180 flick, he becomes better than Blight. You think it's fair he can just break into any angle and get you? Even when experienced players know how to dead angle him? I argue the same against Blight. These killers get nerfed, because of PC exploits breaking their intended turn limit, the nerfs don't address this, and so the killers are broken on PC and near useless on console.

Can you explain this to me?

I fail to see how something you can't do is not fun for you. WIll it become fun when noone can do it?

I would be fine if they basically give console option to increase sensitivity so they can do something close to it 180. I will be highly annoyed if they remove it.

They should make it for console too. All or nothing.

These kinds of discussions will always happen when the mechanical disparity between controllers and M&K comes up, whenever something is possible or not just because of input device.

We get to this point because they've repeatedly said they have no plans to add support for M&K, and the last time they upped controller sensitivity they stated it's the at the max they can boost it for DBD. With the vast majority of the playerbase on the consoles, this will always feel like a raw deal when playing killer.

Players shouldn't have to choose between a PC or a console solely because you cannot run many killers (including most of the very strongest ones) anywhere near their full potential for DBD. It's the same for dealing with Boil Over or Trickster's old recoil for instance, mostly negligible on M&K but a nightmare with a controller.

These kinds of disparities should not be as wide as they are for this game. PC shouldn't be penalized either, but I certainly get the frustrations. So long as console is trapped using a controller we are very much stuck at this point in the discussion.

Oni's 180 flick also has the hitbox drag so he can swing past you and still hit you. No idea why that at the very least hasn't been fixed. Definitely one of the most controversial "techs" in the game.

I obviously do not main Oni but I would not be sad at all if the devs removed it, at the very least it should be acknowledged as a bug by the developers even if they never do anything about it. Oni's 180 is older than a lot of other techs that have been patched out much sooner… rest in peace to Dracula's wolf form tech lol

I personally think it should stay how it's now in PC and give console players special, sharper turning during the frames in which the attack's performed.

However, I still think there's a flaw with that aproach: it might push current console onis away from the killer since the killer became significantly harder.

Removing it could also just make players go for less skill, safer plays, such as camping.

He does not become better than blight, and even if for some reason he did then its a risk reward, you risk snowballing the early game into a loss for the 2nd strongest power in the game.

Yeah, not sure why it hasn't been removed yet.

I blame Blight's release for causing players to look at unintended bugs and exploits and call them "techs". Oni, Blight, Chucky, Wesker, Wolf form Dracula… fixing their exploits is always justified.

Billy isnt currently bugged that i know of. I still think they nerfed the wrong things recently and the extended curve window ruined counterplay against him, but that's not an exploit.

A good Oni with his power up is incredibly difficult to counter as a survivor, not saying this is a bad thing but the dpi exploit is some BS.

u xbox playstation or switch?

just curious as a console player myself

Ah thanks.

Why is it a dpi exploit? I constantly play on 1650 dpi and can flick 180° quite consistently. I just have to throw my mouse around. But I think that he would drop at least one tier when they remove his ability to 180. Would be very easy to outplay on many loops. Just rund around a 180 corner.

correct me if I'm wrong here but didn't they remove it a little after Oni's release? only for them to revert it again a little later? May happen again.

Cannot be done with a controller for this game. Many years back they doubled the sensitivity for them and stated that's the highest it can go for DBD. Combine that with the input delay and dead zones with the joysticks, and no flicks for you. Add in they have no plans to add M&K support for the consoles, and we're very much stuck here.

A strong (and fun) thing can be done with one input device but not the other. This directly controls how effective Oni can be. How do we reconcile this?

I don't understand how it is "unhealthy" or unfair for console/controller players - you are not playing Oni against other Onis, there is no advantage your actual opponents have over you. You can just play to the best of your ability and try to win against the survivors you get and not care that some other Oni player somewhere may be winning more decisively against their survivors. There simply are mechanical differences between these input devices, and controllers are physically limited in some respects that devs cannot always design their games around (and there are also some advantages they have, although mostly on the survivor side in DbD).

It is of course a little funny - but also not unusual - that BHVR had set out to make 180° flicks impossible on Oni as far back as when he left the PTB and yet to this day they are possible still. But most experienced players are of the opinion it is for the better that it is that way. These flicks create more skill expression and outplay potential, and they do so on both sides: if Oni were actually hard-locked to 90° flicks, players would much more often simply cancel the dash and play for boring point-blank strikes; with the existence of 180° flicks on the other hand, they will much more often actually go for flicks, which gives survivors an opportunity to anticipate and dodge. Obviously these flicks still benefit Oni, but they also benefit the fun and skill factor of the overall gameplay. I also don't think they make Oni unreasonably strong nor that he is unreasonably weak without them. He's still strictly weaker than Blight or Billy but more than strong enough to win most of any pub match in the hands of a competent player, controller or otherwise.

Although of course, if there is a way for them to make these flicks accessible to console players (and be it by implementing KBM support), that would be ideal.

Because Chucky has his power every 10 Seconds? Oni has ist for one min every like 40 seconds at most plus the pain to build it up at the start

True

If you would play him you would see it is a skill expression, but you obviersly did otherwhise you would know the hitbox. Right?

Any and all exploits should be addressed.

I looked this up online and it seems it has been around for years as you said OP. Does this company normally not fix bugs like this? I noticed one in 2v8 also. That is not good if it continues to be ignored.