Please just remove the trap door or make survivors have to last endgame to escape

I had killers who was salty someone loop them for all gens and only got a 1k ( the looper) and wanna tell the looper how they are bad and have no skill and they abuse this and that yadda yadda and they ( killer) won the game umm yeah sure you did while 3 others has escape portraits.

Well, yeah, we got some salty, angy people on both sides of the spectrum, not gonna lie. But right now we were talking about the hatch and how a hatch escape SHOULD be rather irrelevant, as the killer as by all accounts won at this point, but how it sometimes can still feel as a loss, aspecially if the pesky tormenter of the game escapes and rubs it in.

The game really has a way of getting under ones skin, but as I said, best advise is to just harden to this and take it with a chuckle and move on - killer got their 3K and that hatch was just luck, no skill involved whatsoever.

Nobody was talking about a 4-man escape. Dont change the subject for no reason.

Not at all. Maybe you start imagining things.

When I've killed the second to last survivor, and the hatch has spawned, my stomach sinks immediately. I begin sweating and my hands begin shaking. Then when the hatch spawns, the longer I search for it, I begin hyperventilating and my tears prick my eyes as I dread the intense distress I will feel as the last survivor stands on top of hatch and taunts me in front of everyone spectating. And it's worse the longer I search, that horrible uncertainty of not knowing if they've found it or not makes me want to vomit, I feel my stomach churning the longer I look for hatch. And if I see them on top of hatch, I just break down crying. I can't even muster to walk up and hit them to get them to leave, I just cry. Luckily, most people just jump in, but some players don't and it's so painful I want to tear my hair out and scream at the top of my lungs to make the pain go away. Sometimes I do.

But if I do manage to find and close hatch first, my torment is still not over… Because then I have to try and stop them from opening gates, which is almost even worse, especially if the gates are obscured. I feel myself panicking the longer EGC has gone on, second guessing my every checkup on each gate, wondering if the survivor has managed to outsmart me with every time I walk from one gate to the other, unsure if they've already opened the gate and are simply waiting for me to rub it in and tbag me. Once it reaches that point, if I notice a survivor standing there at that open gate, it takes every fiber of my being not to DC, but I have to stay strong. So I try to distract myself as the EGC slowly runs out, while my hands and sometimes my whole body shake and I try to calm myself down, telling myself it'll all be over in just a few minutes.

So I usually slug for the 4k instead.

If you got a 3k, you won. Even if the last survivor escapes through the hatch, you still won regardless. A 4k essentially is just rubbing salt in the wound and overkill. That's generally why I always let the last hatch out. What's the point in killing the 4th off? They know they lost. Let people get some extra bp for the match. Now, the exceptions for me are if they were toxic/cheating or if I have some challenge that I need to be done.

Long story short, don't view it was losing out on a kill that last kill doesn't matter - you already won with a 3k.

That being said, if you didn't 3k and hatch spawned because other survivors already escaped through the gate, then yeah, that sucks.

This is the best thinking in my opinion :)

Personally, I like hatch as a mechanic from both the killer and survivor sides, but in any case, if more than one player enjoys the match at the end, I think that's the best outcome. If the killer has a 3k, they have a good match already. If the survivor has a way how they can feasibly get out at the endgame, they get to have fun until the match is over, even if the killer finds them and takes a 4k.

why take a 5-10 minute 3k match and consistently increase the length by possibly half every game by wasting everybody's time with a pointless 2v1?

Hatchescapes mean nothing. Hatch is just the games " going into time" just for the sake of us all moving on with our lives, because humans have a finite lifespan.

At some point it becomes a joke.

If they're standing in the exit gate, how are they helping the fourth survivor?

I guess I should be more clear. I was referring to scenarios where 3 survivors are safe and can escape with zero risk, but they instead choose to save the 4th to get them out as well instead of just taking the win right away. The argument was regarding why killers would ever want to secure the 4k when a 3k is already a win, so it was creating a relative parallel. Guess I should have worded it better.

That said, I disagree with your argument separating the two. While you are right that survivors are generally not having fun during the slug scenario, if the killer is losing badly and just wants to secure one kill at the end of the game, they are probably having as much fun as the slug/hider. While its certainly true that it can be a more dynamic experience, that doesn't rule out the scenarios where they would rather just be done with the match.

3k is a win.

Don't waste your life time camping the hatch.
If you have personal reasons or a 3k detracts from your well-being, you should consider using “no way out” to increase your chances to get the 4k.

Anyway, if getting just a 3k doesn't affect your well-being -> congratulations, you're in a good mental state.

But in 2 v 1 situations the survivors still hide when they basically lost. I had a match tonight where they did 2 gens. 3 gens remaining, 2 survivors remaining.... What did they do? They hid for nearly 30min. So if this situation exists with the hatch being available for last survivor then why not remove it entirely? At least not give survivors a reason to hide for so long in 2 v 1 situations

What’s wrong with doing the back and forth between exit gates with Unknown? He can teleport which is advantageous. You could even mind game and pretend to walk away far enough for your terror radius to leave one gate then immediately teleport back with a well placed and hidden husk and catch the last survivor off guard.

Hatch is needed for those solo players who actually played the game and tried their best, but had terrible teammates. Solo que is already a miserable experience; at least let them have an opportunity to get out. It’s a 50/50 and not considered a win for them if they use it. All they are doing is escaping. These days I rather bet the farm by letting the killer find it and wait at an exit gate. I’ll take my chances trying to mind game the first exit light or go all out and stay on the exit switch while hoping the the hatch was far away and the killer checks the other door first.

Wouldn't it be better if the killer won as soon as the hatch is closed? The End Game Collapse after the hatch is closed always feels like wasted time.

Survivors by design constraints of the game don’t get to loop the Killer for 5 gens unless the Killer is really, really bad. (Killers are faster than survivors, window block, bloodlust, depletion of chase resources). Nor can they all expect to escape even if they do fairly well.

Killer by design constraints of the game isn’t guaranteed a 4K even if they do exceptionally well.

I think this is a decent balance. (Though I do find the hatch experience itself rather lacking in player interaction).