Fire up Buff prediction for January

I didn't even know fire up affected pick up speeds, honestly really like that.

you could make it 10% per gen done and it STILL wouldn’t be great.

This is how it should’ve been from the beginning. Losing 1/5th of your objective should not give a measly 4% action speed increase.

Maybe keep the perk as is, but add this. So during the game, you get slight buffs, and during the endgame you get a big one.

Unfortunately the faster pick up dropped being useful as soon as the 0.4 second flashlight window got added

God please no.

I assume they'll buff the numbers and put it on a 60 second timer or something, like Machine Learning.

plz yes

I think that would be overpowered.

There's out of the box and then there's conceptually busted.

You're basically suggesting the killer version of (old) Made for This, which was incredibly busted. Your idea is just inherently flawed, and not even theoretically, it's been tried and tested.

tested on survivor. the problem with made for this is that made for this was universal tunneler modifier that applied to entire team. survivors could stay injured and all survivor would have made for this which would punish all killers for doing any chases.

typically for survivor, a modifier like this should be more centered around people that are closer to death hook which incentives killer to go for fresh hooks over death hook people because death hook people are harder chases. I'll end on that for survivor.

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For killer, it is been tested on skull merchant and for the most part, it was successful on killer end. Skull merchant was unanimously known for being a killer that had a poor chase capacity prior to her changes and encouraged killer to play as inactively as possible to simply kick gens until server closes. If the player decided to chase survivor's, they're immediately lose but killer player was attempting to be as resilient as possible from losing. BVHR reworked skull merchant to gain claw traps which would apply a long term haste bonus. this would encourage player to setup up claw traps to gain cross-map haste and setup up drones outside of playing turbo defensive from very start of the game. it would enable skull merchant to play more offensively despite being a defensive trap character. For the most part, it was successful for killer.

The problem is that when a killer is actively applying pressure, survivor would simply disconnect because they didn't enjoy the match. As a result, BVHR axed skull merchant. I am going to go back to this killer after i talk about few other killers.

Let's talk about another killer. Clown. Clown is a killer that has a particular ability called haste bottles. haste bottles with Cigar box last 8 seconds and clown has 6 bottles by default. if we were to say that clown uses only haste bottles entire game, you can get 8 seconds x 6 bottles of ammo totally a 48 seconds of haste. While there is a reload time for clown, you can be speed-up for 48 whole seconds in the chase. The haste isn't permanent but it might as well be permanent because of how long it lasts. The first question to ask is whether clown conceptually is a broken killer? Your post suggests that. I don't see anyone talking about this and there are not many mass disconnect reporting on him. For reference, the way clown plays is that he spams yellow bottles in his gameplay and than during his haste duration, he has to insert a slow-effect at correct time to get large burst of speed. that is realistically his chase power. Similar to how skull merchant can have long-term haste and can insert a slow effect onto 2nd survivor, Clown does something similar.

Ok, going outside of particular killers, there are many killers at this stage in dbd that gain large amount of speed in burst fashion. For example, chucky has Slice & Dice which moves at 200%+ speed every 10 seconds. even if we account 10 second cooldown, you get like 3-4 meters of relative distance for pressing ability. that is like 10% haste on average for map mobility. it is important to note that relative burst speed in loops or between loops is more important than total distance gain. Spirit is another killer that also has 5 seconds of 200% speed with her mother daughter ring and has similar green add-on for recover to gain similar mobility results. Dracula is new edition to roaster and he is also has bat form to move around map and has relative speed increases towards bat form and wolf form pounce. The most notorious killer to talk about is Nurse that has burst gap-closing tool in chase for all loops but than she also skips building objects where for example, a killer has to walk around building to enter a building while nurse just blink through it which is easily in 30%+ haste category. You can go down list. blight's another killer with unrivaled mobility. I said i would come back to skull merchant. All these killers don't have to do anything to get their ability work but than we have Skull merchant that has to setup traps to get lock-on tokens and spend personal time to get measily 3% haste. Apparently that is too broken and requires survivors to disconnect constantly.

So your right. it has been tested before on killer and a lot of killer that it has been tested on are able to play more offensively and have more flexible wins in their gameplay. For reference, the reason why people are talking about fire-up is because fire-up is possible gateway perk to killers exploring non-aura tunnel builds, non-generator delay builds and focus on pure offensive play. A killer might consider to run perks like Fire-up+Brutal strength+Enduring+Spirit fury. One would wonder if BVHR is perhaps attempting to slightly shake up the meta for killer? I mean they're changing freddy who is arguably worse m1 killer in the game and Myer's who is arguably most m1 killer in the game? Maybe there is something in their changes.

At the same time, you and @radiantHero23 might be right. perhaps it is just regular perk update.

Im aware of that.

I do think that you can design good chase perks. However, a status effect like haste should never be given out easily due to how strong it is.

A good example is play with your food. It provides a very strong effect, however, this is locked behind heavy restrictions to keep its power in place.

Perks like Stbfl and blood favour showcase that a chase perk doesn't have to include the haste status to he effective.

Dissolution with a few tweaks could also become a decent chase perk.

The problem is haste. Not the idea of a chase perk.

I think it would be neat if Fire Up also applied to successful and missed basic attacks. Sure it would make for a really potent combo with STBFL, but that's two slots you are giving up for an effect that you have to first get stacks to benefit from (and that survivors can counter to an extent by having the Obsession take hits), and that only gets to be really potent in the lategame. Even in general it can obviously be said that killers that regularly use M1 attacks are some of the weaker ones, and they would benefit the most from perks like this. I think STBFL is a very healthy perk as it gives M1 killers the chase strength, snowball potential and endgame threat levels that they otherwise can lack to an extent or another, and this would only add to that.

Alternatively they could indeed also simply buff its numbers, although 5% is still too conservative for my liking. Kid you not even 10% could be feasible, although I know that is much beyond what BHVR (and many players) would be comfortable with. But 8% would be perfectly alright. Yes it would make for a potent combo with perks like Brutal Strength or things that increase window vaulting speeds, but those again are mostly relevant for M1 killers who if anything deserve potent chase combos like this, especially considering they are spending another perk slot on it, forgoing some slowdown perk for it. And again considering that it only gets to be really potent after 3+ gens have been completed, so it has a self-balancing effect of not enabling a killer to snowball too much too early on.

Remember Me could also do with a number increase. Such as 10 seconds per stack, up to a maximum of 60 seconds. Since it's the Obsession that has to lose health states for the tokens, needing 6 would actively discourage tunnelling as you can only at most get 4 if you never let them heal. And letting the Obsession heal and finding and downing them again multiple times in a match is also far from reliable. And you are only using 3 perks for the duration of that. Sure you can use other perks that switch the Obsession around, but then you are investing even more slots into perks that are really not great.

Blood Warden could be buffed by either making it so that it activates if you hook a survivor at any point after the last gen has been repaired (i. e. 99%-ing gates does not play around it anymore, instead upon opening a gate Warden will activate and block said gate for 60 seconds), or making consecutive hooks block the gates again, such as 30 seconds for the second hook, 15 for the third.

Vigil could simply be 40%.

Pharmacy could increase med-kit charge efficiency by 100%.

Wake Up! could at the very least also reveal other survivors' auras to you when they are opening an exit gate, as well as perhaps its opening progress by ways of its aura intensity. Although gate-opening progress is probably something they are looking to include on the survivor activity HUD at some point.

Stbfl is an exposed perk??? Stbfl will not make you down people after one hit. Stbfl will make the survivor HAVE to take the next loop and not the 2nd or 3rd loop. Most of the time they will make it somewhere. They just cant choose very freely, where that somewhere is. Thats the strenght of Stbfl. It makes people have to do quick decisions and you would be suprised how many people in this game are not capable of doing that.

Both dissolution and blood favour can be great on certain killers. They are just not perks that you can just slap on every killer and get value. Personally I think perks should be like that to enable perk variety.