Why am I punished for dcing, when a nurse refuses to pick my whole team up?
Everyone was slugged on the ground for two minutes and I don’t want to waste my time waiting 4 minutes to bleed out. It’s such a time waste!!!
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Yeah its kind of an epidemic right now. I found that I have no choice but to run anti slug and anti tunnel perks now. Too many killers have adopted the "Im not responsible for your fun" mentality. A tragic sentiment to have in a multiplayer game tbh.
But I do think the DC penalty needs to go since it encourages people just to die on hook rather than leave us with a bot.
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Because you abandoned a game prematurely? I think its pretty obvious why.
You're only wasting your time if you're sat there watching the bar go down for some silly reason. Go be productive, get a drink or snack or literally anything else and let everyone else waste their time instead.
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It's really not. I have no clue why people are pretending like it happens more often than every hundred games.
Oh wait, I do know. It's a concerted gaslighting attempt to get yet another powerful perk basekit.
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Yeah.. because survivors ever care about the killers fun, you all seem to forget its a two way street.
The DC penalty needs to be more severe if anything, what they need to do it remove any possibility of killing yourself on hook by remove unhooks that arent 100% and stage 2 skill checks. Survivors can't be trusted to have interactivity with their hook states so they need to go, its simple really.
There's no epidemic though, thats just what people preach to try and get basekit buffs
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orrrr it’s actually happening. Not that many people are “gaslighting”. What a ridiculous statement.
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Right there with you. I’m just gonna start saving videos of killers doing this so the ones saying it isn’t a thing can witness it. It’s a sad time.
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I'm not sure if you were around then, but people don't want basekit Unbreakable, on either side.
When the devs first tried the idea of basekit Unbreakable alongside the original Finisher Mori, almost the entire playerbase united against it and it got scrapped (a rather unprecedented event). Basekit Unbreakable simply cannot happen, it would fix one problem but create more and turn the gap between SWF and SoloQ into an ocean.
In fact, most people don't mind the Finisher Mori animation in and of itself (although it gets old after a while), people mind the fact that it incentivizes slugging for the 4k even more than before (which is a feat). Most of the well-thought-out suggestions I see are people suggesting simply adding some sort of condition to be able to do the Finisher Mori (usually revolving around the 3rd Survivor escaping, dying by sacrifice, or dying by Mori while the last Survivor is still on their feet) without making slugging itself impossible.
Unfortunately the DC penalty can't exactly be more severe due to the game simply being too unstable and cheaters (that can crash the server on-command) being too common for it. If the game was stable I wouldn't really mind but the server kicks us out of the game at least 3 times a week and getting a 3-5 minutes penalty for something completely out of our control would just be annoying. I'm not saying it should go (we all know what happens when it's gone after having gone through the few periods when it was gone, it was barely possible to play a full game) but it can't be too severe due to how unreliable the game is.
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”your leaving dead game prematurely go do something productive”
As they literally leave the game to.. do something productive???
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Lmao, your still mad you cant hit surviviors off hook?
Maybe your to killer sided to realize your survivior mmr is so low you dont notice it since you never pass the middle mmr brackets, just a thought
Also you can watch comp gameplay, really eye opening how slugging is the norm. Its as if people truly do slug!
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With nothing to stop this all we can do is discourage this by making them have just as much fun as the rest of us.
"I'm not responsible for your fun because I'm entitled to 4k because only winning is fun" ok well I'm entitled to escape so if I have to keep dropping items in the corner until you leave my gen or until the server closes thats what I'll do. Oh, but I can't do that that's not fun for killer i should just stand still and let the killer down me but teehee oops nah now that I gave up the killers free to bleed me out and sexually harass my survivor because there's nobody to punish that sleazy sportsmanship
I'm that punisher. Killers blow up my xbox dms but none of them have a response to "shoulda just hooked bro"
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Are you real?
I bet you go in every game going "How can i make the game more fun for the killer or the other side" Please.
The entitlement is dripping off you. NOBODY is responsible for your fun be they survivors or killers, you didn't pay for the other players game, and in NO PVP game have i ever come accross this mentality of feeling the need to continually cater to the other sides fun.
Go play minecraft or some thing if you want a game where that is the aim of the game basically working together.5 -
Basekit unbreakable in such scenarios is needed, if 3 out 4 people are slugged they should pick themselfs up, or give a total 4 times each 60s
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Just like your not ENTITLED to escape either lol such a double standard.
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It's not. The statistics don't bear it out. I will play duos with you for an evening and if anyone gets bled out one time, I will buy you a steam game of your choice. Sound good?
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You are a very angry individual. And yeah, I do intentionally not do things that I know would ruin the experience for others.
You may have not experienced that sort of mentality in a PVP game because you are either apart of a toxic community or fueling the toxicity. In almost every pvp game I play the players I experience are chill and fine with goofing off, so long as you give off that vibe.
I don't expect to escape, i expect to lose most of my games as survivor. You can have a fair healthy match, full of positive sportsmanship…all without intentionally doing things you know negatively impacts the game and community as a whole.
if you're gonna be this rude and inflammatory without provocation….maybe you should go to league of legends and let us vibe and promote a fun experience for everyone.
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Is it really that difficult to understand? This topic comes up again and again.
These are different problems:
If there are many cheaters/hackers in the game, removing the DC penalty won't solve the problem.
Just like it doesn't warrant a DC if you don't agree with a certain style of play.
If the game does not contribute to a positive development in your well-being, then it is probably more effective to change the game.
And if possible, without investing several hundred dollars in skins or DLC's first. As a result, the developers set the priority as they currently are and other topics as slugging, cheat/hacking are put aside.
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"A concerted gaslighting attempt" dang survivor mains are truly evil masterminds, aren't they? With their macabre plots and manipulative shenanigans.
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The bots are there in the event someone DCs. They are not meant to be there to allow you to DC when you want.
I have a better idea: Go next after you die. Don't complain, just go next, I can guarantee you your next match will be better. Slugging is probably an epidemic at high MMR, but they're a minority so who cares?
If you get slugged frequently because you're at high MMR… run Unbreakable? You should know what's going to happen since everyone will be playing Nurse.3 -
Don't DC, then you won't be punished.
If you already waited 2 mins, you can wait another 2 to prevent DC penalty. You have nothing to complain about. Stop leaving matches.
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I should not get punished for leaving a match, where I can do nothing! That’s why the leave button exists after all. There should be something like the endgame collapse for this scenario.
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Yes you keep assuming because i do not agree with you 100% and have a differing opinion to you i am a very angry person lol.
Your the one gaslighting using buzz words like "epidemic" and probably one that claims they been slugged for the last 20 games in a row.
Not angry just don't put up with fools sorry :)5 -
If you actually read, im explaining why they should AFK and let themselves bleed out rather than just take the DC penalty. If they already waited 2 min they can just do something else for the remaining two.
I play both sides actually. I don't know where you're getting your condescending argument from, at no point did i say no one slugs, i said its not an "epidemic". Anything to justify your opinion i guess… Consider that maybe your MMR is so low that you all give killers the opportunity to multi slug in the first place.
Using comp DBD as a standard for anything other than comp is disingenuous, its essentially a whole other game with self made restrictions.
I get normal games with normal amounts of tactical slugging, the same as the vast majority of players. Hell the only time i ever get to multi slug as a killer is when they basically throw themselves at me.
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I wasn't, and i agree it should never be put in the game. But yet we constantly see posts about wanting it implemented.
Oh i know the whining about the mori is nonsense, but it doesn't really incentivise slugging for a 4k. It literally changes nothing except you see the animation instead of having to carry to a hook. The incentive to slug for a 4k is exactly the same as it was pre mori. Adding restrictions is pointless because either people wont bother and slug for the 4k and hook them, or they'll make the wait for the mori even worse for literally no gain. It's fine as it is now.
Fair enough on the DC penalty, i can't say i ever experience being disconnected so i don't know how much of an issue overall it is. The rest of my comment stands though, survivor interactivity with hook stages needs to go, they can't be trusted not to abuse it to avoid the penalty. If you want to leave a match you should be penalised for it.
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Yes, good solution. Do anything but play the game. Great idea.
Literally had this happen 3 times in a 8 game session. Its a thing right now and Im tired of people pretending its not. Your experience is not mine, thats fine. Changes nothing about the reality to others who aren't 'you'.
Slugging is probably an epidemic at high MMR, but they're a minority so who cares?
New to the forums? You can check all kinds of posts: everyone is top mmr here. Just read their claims, and I DARE you to tell them they are wrong. So, this 'epidemic' is pretty much everyone. But me, that is. I'm 3 points under 'high mmr'.
Slugging just to bleed everyone out is a solid gameplan and accepted by BHVR. Anyone who complains are just bad at the game and need to understand it better. There, answered for you.
But its still not fun or worthwhile gameplay for anyone, including the killer. I really hope BHVR fix this whole 'not worth hooking' because its very unfun. Being this is a game, its supposed to be fun if someone plays it. Its usually not. How to fix this?
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Yes it is a good solution when you're being bled out with no way to recover. You should read the context before sending these remarks. But hey if you want to bump up your penalty instead for the sake of 2-4 mins for no reason be my guest :)
"Its a thing right now and Im tired of people pretending its not. Your experience is not mine, thats fine. Changes nothing about the reality to others who aren't 'you'."
This works both ways you know? Your experience isn't the sacrosanct word of God and doesn't represent anything to do with the overall state of the game. Only BHVR has the data, and your experience doesn't match up with it.
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So now if ones experience doesn't match 'the data', it just doesn't exist? Need a little more here. I dont want to assume things, so please set this straight for me.
I fel nothing you said disproves anything I said, so cool. But when did I say anything requiring you to respond with "This works both ways you know? Your experience isn't the sacrosanct word of God and doesn't represent anything to do with the overall state of the game. Only BHVR has the data, and your experience doesn't match up with it."
If you're going to say any experience that doesn't add up to the 'data' is false, then we're through here lol. But I don't want to assume that, so please.
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Where did i say your experience doesn't exist? I'm saying it doesn't represent the game itself by any measure except your personal experience with it and nothing else. You're trying to apply it to the state of the game by using it to say there's an issue of some kind when there is nothing to prove it except personal bias and quantified data by BHVR to prove there is not in any significant way by their statistics.
Your experience isn't "false", its just not representative of anything else.
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That actually made a ton of sense. I think I need to word things a bit more to not reflect what you gleamed. Interesting… Thank you :)
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I don't really think of the game in terms of this or that main. It's tribalism and an unhealthy way of thinking about people. The folks you play against are your opposition in a game, not your enemy if that makes sense. I play whatever the incentive is anyway.
That being said basekit unbreakable is the obvious end goal of the slugging complaints, even though objective statistics and anecdotal evidence do not bear it out. It's been shown that if something is complained about enough BHVR will do something. Basekit BT(great change), anti facecamp(good change), three gen restrictions(flawed but okay change), skull woman(awful change). The natural progression is yet another powerful basekit perk and I think certain voices are trying to force that change regardless of what reality says.
It seems like you're not a rational actor though. You're entrenched in a tribalistic mindset and want something to be upset at.
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I totally agree that the bots were implemented to help survivors because of survivors disconnecting, however the rage quitting has adapted to its inclusion and so we need to address the way they're used now in relation to the DC penalty and not what they were intended for.
The DC penalty predates the bots, which came as a response to the DC penalty not working as well as intended. Survivors work around the penalty now by intentionally throwing and getting themselves killed. Which, now that there are bots, leaves the survivors at more of a disadvantage than a regular DC. Will it lead to more DC? Probably. but at least those who are still in the match have an AI ally that'll do gens and totems.
Basically what im getting at is: The game has changed, the community mentality has changed, and so we need to change the ways we address toxicity (DC and Bots). Even if that means letting the toxic ones have a get out of free jail card, so the healthy majority aren't screwed over even more.
As for the slugging. My survivor MMR is terrible. I die like 90% of the time. I joke about how the "escape" rift challenges are the impossible challenge. I am slugged A LOT of the time, to the point where I run anti slug perks as a necessity to enjoy the game. Unbreakable and exponential are in my build. Had a match yesterday where I picked myself off the ground four times (huntress) because of the slugging. If it was just unbreakable it would be one and no more uses…id just be slugged like everyone else. Next match I got up once and exponential got my team up several times. Yeah it helps counter slugging. But I have to sacrifice perks I would like to run for perks I have no choice but to run, so I can play the game rather than lay on the ground for several minutes. Imagine playing killer, but you cant interact with survivors or anything for that matter. You can only walk really really slowly at them. It wouldn't be fun. Thats how it is for slugged survivors. Cant do anything besides move really slowly.
Now yes, slugging isn't in every match. But it happens enough where its flooding the forums and causing issue amongst the community. You may not be experiencing it but there are some factors in play. Like server location and time of day. I find my games between 12pm - 5pm on weekdays to be super relaxing and enjoyable for both sides. But after 6pm the game becomes a slug and tunnel fest, to the point I refuse to play survivor and my old swf pals stopped playing as well. I got my sister in law and my friend to play with me for the first time. My friend was slugged each match and when he wasn't he was tunneled. Like hard tunneled, I took hits and downs and the killers ignored me for them. Dude immediately refunded the game.
Even so. An issue doesn't need to be in the majority of games for it to be a problem and for it to be addressed. The same arguments were had when the base kit unbreakable was a thing, and it improved the experience for the majority once implemented. I think base kit unbreakable, like how it was in 2v8 would be good to add.
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Cause survivor arent supposed to have a good experience, and killers are allowed to be as annyoing as possible to fullfill their trolly fantasy.
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Me? I'm a killer main so idk what kinda tribalism you're talking about. I'm just making fun of the idea of survivor mains planning a coordinated attack on the forums to get this perk nerfed or that perk become basekit. Which is completely delusional lol. Don't pin the us vs them mentality on me, buddy. It's your way of thinking, as understood from your own words, from the moment you said there was "a concerted gaslighting atempt" from survivors. Not mine.
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LOL Look up the word hypocrite it would be handy for you to understand.
You call me the problematic person and that i need to improve my communication, yet you then go on by trying to insult me personally. Not sure where i made a personal attack on your mental wellness etc but seems you are that type of person i guess.
Think maybe it is you that should choose your words better. All you have done so far is hurl personal insults and show that you get angry if somebody calls you out for being a tad dramatic1 -
I never said there was a concerted gaslighting attempt from survivors. Kindly don't put words in my mouth; I don't think about people like that. Survivor players are not a hive mind or a singular person. They're just people that play the video game. Individuals.
What I did say, if you would do me the kindness of reading the stuff I write with your eyeballs Is that certain voices are amplifying a false narrative. People pick up on that and start parroting it in order to be and feel included. I already explained the logic behind it. If you want to shrug that off it's completely fine, but you're also not worth engaging with in that case.
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You quite literally said "concerted gaslighting attempt". It's in your comment, word by word. And that alone is already a delusional claim. Plus, if such an attempt intends to get a certain side of the game to get a perk made basekit (UB, a survivor perk, also stated by you), it's obvious from whom the "concerted gaslighting attempt" is coming from. 2+2.
And no one "picks up" anything nor starts "parroting". It's called agreeing with someone else. I don't care about "feeling included", I simply see the people's point and agree with them. And that's probably the truth for most of the folks who have also agreed with such an opinion. Maybe you're projecting your personal need to "feel included"? First time I've ever seen someone make such an absurd claim. Lol.
"Not worth engaging with". "Not a rational actor". "Entrenched in a tribalistic mindset". Someone should get off their high horse and it's not me.
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Sorry if it was condescending, my diction doesnt match my meaning, I was trying to use comparison but yeah re-reading i see how it definitely did come off as condescending
I mentioned comp dbd because for some reason killers use it to justify how sweaty swfs destroy them, as for slugging its annoying because anti camp and tunnel perks get nullified from this, and i cant run every anti perk as theres just not enough slots and really the only thing i can do is pray the killer doesnt proxy camp the slug, which at that point the game is over for you, regardless of how your teammates play.
Ive also begin to run unbreakable, but i usually only have 2-3 swf and as luck would have it usually the random gets slugged. To their credit some have unbreakable but it isnt long lived without soul guard..
For multi slug i think we have different definitions, you only slug when theres a abdudance of players by you which is valid, but when i am multi slugged regardless of how safe it might be the killer just bleeds out
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Im not here to argue. go to twitter for that. 👍️
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That is why you keep replying hey
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4% (actually higher?)I don't think slugging is justified considering that you can get away with it and then face DS,OtR.
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As much as I dislike that bleeding people out for 4 minutes is still a thing that hasn't even been mentioned or addressed by BHVR, getting a DC penalty is on you. It's still faster to not DC and just wait the 4 minutes, and I highly doubt you're getting bled out that often that you get a big penalty purely from DCing from slug only matches.
We can't remove the DC penalty because a minority of players choose to bleed out, it's better to give survivors the option to bleed out faster or give up when games are over and nobody can recover.
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