2v8 ran its course

ah yes, so survivors can do even more flashlight saves, heal even faster and rush gens even faster on top of beeing absolutely overpowered in general.

See I don't understand where ppl are getting this idea that 2v8 is the "arcade" or "casual" mode of dbd. The times I played esp this time around, it's just as sweaty as normal dbd. In fact, you can say it's worse this time than last time with the buff survivor classes and blight and spirit being added to the killer roster. I have been mainly playing Survivor in the mode for the last two weeks(just to do the rift stuff) and I've seen so much sweat! On the killer side, I saw mainly the "meta" combo of blight & wrath or Blight & billy. I think I have seen one trapper and maybe two DSs this whole time. Then you have survivors who are running nothing but guide and medic and finishing all the gens in 6 to 8 mins. There is nothing casual about this mode, ppl are being just as competitive in this mode as in 1v4. Also, I've seen plenty of billies and blights slugging so you not getting away from that in this mode either.

Honestly, I think a lot of y'all are just blinded by the fact 2v8 is a new shiny toy or a bad lover you think you can fix. "2v8 is so abusive but I know I can fix it" That's what yall sound like to me. I stated it before and I say it again the only reason why Im so against 2v8 is because it affects my enjoyment of the game. I can't just ignore it and pretend it's not there bc it affects 1v4 SO much. To me 2v8 is not fun on either side, the survivor is boring, and getting the double team all the time is frustrating and not fun. Then your teammates who do nothing all match and will leave you to die in a cage. Then on the killer side, queue times are 20 min long, when you do get a match it most likely will only last 8 mins with you either completely stomping the survivors or survivors genrushing you(man that 20 min wait was SO worth it wasn't it), and as a survivor,r there is a high chance your teammate is potato will not help. For Killer it's only fun if you have a friend like most coop games but as someone like myself who solos this game and has no one this mode is crap. I honestly hope this mode never is made permanent bc I really think it will eventually kill dbd if it was.

I have been mainly playing Survivor in the mode for the last two weeks(just to do the rift stuff) and I've seen so much sweat! 

So what exactly 'sweat' is differs from person to person, but the reason I see 2v8 as more casual is:

1: No perks / addons / offerings

2: Mistakes aren't as costly

When I think of sweat, I think of a SWF running all 4 commodious toolboxes, choosing the map, and spreading out the hooks, with each person on the team having dedicated roles - or a killer running best possible addons and, again, choosing the map. I never think of sweat about what people do in the game, I expect people to play the game, but its taking advantage of those 'make them game easier for yourself' things that exist in 1v4.

You can't do that in 2v8. On the survivor side all of the classes have value and while I think a good team would definitely have more guides/medics, but its not nearly to the level of game breaking you can do in 1v4. On the killer side this might be a little more true, , but I still don't think it reaches 1v4 levels (there also seems to be more disagreement on what the best killer combos are).

The catch up mechanics and hooks getting spread via cages also means that a single mistake doesn't seem like it defines the game. One of the complaints about 1v4 is that the early game is so extremely important with a good / bad chase basically deciding the outcome. While early game of course matters, its not all defining.

I stated it before and I say it again the only reason why Im so against 2v8 is because it affects my enjoyment of the game.

That's of course fine, it just really isn't much that can discussed.

I hated DbD before 6.1. I played it a couple of times in its early forms and totally wrote it off. I, generally speaking, like the direction BHVR has taken the game. Yes there are definitely people who think they are on the wrong track, and one day BHVR might choose to go in a direction I dislike, but that's just the nature of live service games. The designer is trying to adapt to an ever changing player base, every player has the potential of being left out of those changes.

Let's start in the middle.

You can't convince me that 2v8 is any more wrost or sweaty than 1v4.

Well if you've already decided you can't be convinced, I'm not sure how helpful this is going to be on a discussion forum, but I'll do my best.

Survivors don't need a toolbox and a genrush build when they have guide.

Guide has pros and cons, especially depending on the killers you get. The most common reason I lose on the survivor side is the that too many of us are grouped up.

On the other hand in 1v4, if all you care about is winning, there's very few items you'd take on the survivor side. Best toolbox, medkit + syringe and charges, key with aura reading. There's a few other variations there, but there's clear superior items.

Also that so call catch up mechanic doesn't do anything. In fact it's one of the driving reasons why you do see more slugging bc killers are punished for doing their objective by making already fast gens even faster. 

These two sentences don't work together. You say it doesn't work together, then say it works.

Every game I've seen killers try and slug excessively it has gone badly for them. Basekit unbreakable.

The catch up mechanic does its job pretty well, though it really needs to differentiate hook levels on the survivor side. Games that start one sided feel much more competitive than they do in 1v4.

Onto chaos shuffle:

chaos shuffler is much more of a casual mode than 2v8

I didn't realize this was a 3 way competition between chaos shuffle, 2v8, and 1v4 for the casual crown.

Imo perks are more the issue than add-ons or offering. Toolboxes are only a issue because there perks that make them overpower and even refill them.

On the survivor side just take out toolbox and throw in medkit + syringe.

On the killer side I think a lot of the high powered addons really don't depend on what perks you get.

Here another thing that makes chaos shuffler better over 2v8, it doesn't affect queue times what so ever.

This is just a red herring unrelated to casual topic.

I mean it's your opinion and that's fine. But I had a totally different experience in 2vs8 with much less sweat than normal dbd, people goofing around and in general being much more relaxed. And seeing how many players switch I would guess that most share that experience and rather play 2vs8.

As to the killing DBD point: If you make a new mode that much more represents what a lot of players want DBD to be, it's obvious that the old game mode suffers in favour of the new one. But the devs being like: we made this new game mode that so many of you enjoy and play so much that the old game mode, that you dont enjoy as much apparently, lacks players. So we decides to just kill this new mode and send all of you back to the old mode to fix queue times" is imo not the right move here.

Scenes when BHVR shut down 1v4 and then think, wait a minute, we have zero revenue from selling killers and perks because you can't use any of them in 2v8! Sounds like a sound financial decision.

To be honest, I have been basically only playing 2v8 since it launched, and the same thing happened with its first iteration. Imo, 2v8 is much more fun than the regular mode for a number of reasons.

2v8 is the only reason I play DbD anymore. I hope it sticks around and becomes a permanent game mode.

Chill some people are 2v8 mains. Some of us don't want to touch the 1v4 mode. And ironically they might benefit from the 2v8 mode since it's new player friendly. Think about it in this game you need 1000s of hours to get most of the perks unlocked now. With this mode if your new, you just buy and it play it at an even playing field, everyone has the same perks and whatnot. Hopefully they make it permanently with all the maps and all the killers, which it seems the most likely that this game mode will get implemented permanently. They extended which was surprising, so they got to be seeing some numbers that we are not.

this 2v8 killers got trash overall ,survivors got to many buffs while some found it fun i didnt find it fun getting 2-3 gens completed before i even got my first cage and with each cage survs get +2.5 gen repair speed while each gen only gives -5% gen repair speed which can get negated by the guide perk. ya watching survs tbagging at the gate is totally fun and breaking a thousand pallets. this mode was garbage this time.

if bots dont work then Devs are just gonna have to merge 1v4 and 2v8 Queues with a lobby dodge penalty. No more seperate gamemodes its gonna be one big playlist

We not talking about a 5 minute wait here… I would love a 5-minute queue over a 20-minute queue right now!!! 5 min is nothing compared to what we have to deal with right now. Also, I played before MMR was in the game and I honestly don't ever remember queues being as bad as they are now with 2v8, if they had trusted me I would have uninstalled the game and never came back. Also, I say it again…2v8 is just as much of a sweat feast as 1v4… that just dbd now and it's time to come to terms with that. Believe it or not, the natural life span of a pvp game..gamers will always optimize the fun out of a pvp game no matter the mode.

My LastTwoWeek is the lowest ever.

Goodbye 2vs8. May you never come back, with Lights Out