Thrill of the Hunt

These survivors were throwing by the time they realized. This wasn't a perk issue it was the survivors not recognizing the perks because ruin regression is basically nothing.

@Langweilg

Because doing so doesn't hurt the low level players and only makes the game better.

For example, in DBD terms, lets look at a structure like killer shack. Killer shack is one of the strongest structures in the game for survivors. Against a standard m1 killer a good survivor will be able to stand at the various "check spots" that exist at killer shack, to effectively guarantee that they get 3 vaults. You can't mindgame a checkspot if done properly. So they get the 3 vaults, block the window, then either get hit, or drop the pallet. This can waste about 30-45 seconds of a killer's time just to land the hit, or get the pallet drop.

Now mind you, this is against a very good survivor who knows how to abuse the power of killer shack.

Now, what is a relatively newer, lower skill "average" survivor going to do at killer shack? Probably not utilize the check spots, get mind-gamed immediately, and get hit after 5-10 seconds. Or they predrop the pallet which will "Waste it" as people often experience in lower level games.

What happens if you nerf killer shack, to maybe, give it a breakable wall, like the one in dead dog, or shorten the structure so these check spots are far less effective? Well, you made it now much weaker in the hands of that higher level skilled survivor, but the lower level survivor is still going to get hit in 5-10 seconds, or predrop the pallet anyway. So nerfing the structure, did not hurt this low level survivor in any way.

One of my favorite videos talking about balance decisions talks about this for TF2:

The logic still applies, the low level player isn't "doing that to begin with" to make the structure powerful, so if you nerf the structure, it doesn't hurt the low level player.

This also can work in the reverse as well. For example, I thought the change from the old old ruin (the one that caused the skill check shenanigans) to the previous version of ruin (with the 200% regression) was actually an amazing change. The old old ruin, hurt the average low skill players the most, and was far too powerful for the average team to go against. It was so bad that people often resorted to "gen tapping" to avoid getting the skill checks so they could power through the gens, or the entire beginning of the game was spent searching for that totem, where, if it wasn't found quickly, the survivors would just lose.

But in high level games, where the survivors can do great skill checks all the time, it didn't really affect them, all it did was slow down the gens slightly because the didn't get the bonuses from landing the great skill checks. Also, they often had good memories of the totem spots of which, at the time, they were much less numerous, making it really easy to see which spawn setups you had on the various maps, and you could usually see ruin cleansed in the first 20-30 seconds of a match in most higher level matches.

This made the perk pretty bad against higher level survivors. But then they changed it to the regression one, which made it so, in lower level games, where killers weren't as skilled and would have a harder time capitalizing on the regression by pressuring the gens (remember the regression only works if the survivors aren't on the gen), the perk would actually be weaker. But, in higher level games, where the killer would be much more experienced at pressuring gens and able to make the regression work better, it was actually a big buff. Effectively this nerfed the perk in low level games, where it was too strong, and buffed it in high level games, where it was too weak.

This is how balance should work, you make decisions, keeping in mind all skill levels, and balance things in such a way that the game is fair at the highest levels, while also keeping in mind things at the lower level that are frustrating to deal with. When something is frustrating at a low level, it is a candidate for something that needs a rework.

Counterforce doesn't help in soloq. Your team wastes the time for you because they don't know you have it. It works in like 2/5 games max.

THAT is what i want. An ideal world where the game is balanced around killers going for hooks and lots of chases instead of kills. A world where camping is not just "discouraged" but literally impossible from a gameplay perspective. A world where tunneling is not just "discouraged" but literally impossible from a gameplay perspective. A game where survivors do more than hold m1 on a gen for 90 seconds, and the game can be a true test of skill on both sides.

Then that means he's not guarding gens or chasing, if he's just protecting totems the whole time. You see how that works?

Even a bad survivor has a nice chase every now and then. Changes like these might impact them less, but will impact them all the same.

Sure, they will but they will be going against killers of the same skill level as them, so it balances out.

Because for one thing shack is the only promised strong loop on a map. With the way map redesigns are going, everything else is a toss up.

And what you killer mains don’t understand now and will never understand is that shack is where all survivors learn how to loop. They start at shack then work their way to more complex looping structures.

Its not hard. Its sometimes impossible. There is a difference.

DBD in itself is a relatively simple game to play. Most of the "skill" comes down to knowledge. A survivor with thousands of hours and tons of experience WILL lose to a killer with less experience if the team does not know what they are / should be doing.

Its frustrating, but this is the problem, a team of randoms has to face. Therefore I encourage a lot people in end game chat and here on the forums to self reflect on their gameplay and improve their game-sense.

Sounds like you are ahead of the curve. For most survivors shack is where good looping (by which I mean mind gaming) starts because it’s relatively easier to mind game there versus a T-L, Z, 3-pillar, etc structure. And even against anti-loop killers shack is typically safe, which makes it easier for survivors to build their looping confidence.

I’m still using this build (with ruin, Tana, thrill and face the darkness) and survivors waste so much time cleansing. It’s funny.

Not to mention, if the killer has any perks or addons that make survivors scream, or otherwise interrupt survivors like pinhead's chain hunt, it is absolutely impossible to do anything.

okay. Technically, some situations are not absolutely impossible, but with the amount of coordination and strategy involved, it's a lot of wasted time that still loses your team the match.

In solo queue, anything but the meta won't work.