"Thrill is a Problem" *Counterforce Exists*

It's pretty easy to figure out the youtubers if you just look at their names and pfp, lol.

Sounds about right.

Especially when it is other streamers playing with either solo q or their group so that they can make these toxic ttv pathetic ytd videos to give said streamer a bad name

There is a certain someone whos really good at it but I will not mention name but its lame how people do this

So the average game then?

No, it doesn't sound like farming. It's you assuming that a survivor getting off hooks means the killer will tunnel (not always true). It's also assuming that the survivor can't take a chase for very long, and that their safest place is on hook. In both cases, it sounds like the entire team falls apart the moment the killer starts doing their job, or applies any amount of pressure. Ultra casual mindset. But we'll never give the benefit of the doubt to casual killers, no. It's only ever a dominating killer against helpless survivors, never the opposite.

Be that as it may, I and others have always sought out the path of least resistance with killer. If the build is as dominant as you make it sound, I expect most killers to be running it by the end of the month. But I'm doubtful, especially since the devs might just nerf it before then, because they don't like seeing killer changes play out and shift metas. They just knee jerk reaction to survivor complaints.

Maybe we will, because there's so little that does benefit killer. I've debunked so many things: 3-gens, "solo weak," loop strength, kill rate, tunneling, "OP" killer perks, gen kick limit, and people keep parroting that exact same stuff like it's Gospel. I'll try to keep it short as I can, because I've said this like 100 times:

Thrill is fine, because the killer's pressure is split between not only the gens but also his totems. If survivors can't find a window of time through all of that to do a gen or a totem, they deserve to lose.

Old Eruption was mostly fine, because the killer spends all this time kicking gens instead of getting leads in chases, he has to down a survivor with people on those specific gens, and he has to do it before the gens get done. If survivors are just allowing the killer to waste all that time kicking every gen in-between each down, with unfavorable chases, and he's still winning, then they deserve to lose.

3-gen/Skull Merchant was fine too. With 3-gens, you can avoid the entire situation before it even starts by 99'ing a far one, and pushing the 2 furthest apart that are in the 3-gen area. When the killer comes, you yo-yo. If they kick the gen then leave, you can get right back on it. If they commit to chasing you, both yours and the other gen are free to be pushed. Skull Merchant doesn't change a thing about that situation, other than the few seconds needed to disable her drones. The only thing wrong with her was that her scan tags never disappeared, like it Trickster's knives just stayed on you forever. Survivors complained about the complete wrong issues with her.

The match y'all keep crutching on is really the biggest thing that disproves your point. "The top team in world couldn't do anythiiiinggg! Aaauuuggghhh!" Except they could. They could have 99'd and not purposefully 3-gen'd themselves. Didn't do it. The threw down pallets really fast on that side, even though them getting hit wouldn't have resulted in a down. They had to not get downed/hooked near the 3-gen, or at least use that opportunity to push gens hard. Didn't do it. I could have played that better than they did! Because every time Hens spectated a new survivor after that, what were they doing? Walking around, failing a flashlight save, doing nothing, not on gens. They really deserved to lose after all that, and they still didn't. Their opponent was M1 trash, and the whole SWF knew their game plan before the match started, and didn't do anything to counter it. I'm sorry, but they should never have got the "world's best title" after what I saw. I've seen random solos with more game sense and efficiency.

So there you go, again. It was just obvious to me.

No, dude. How is the killer gonna be checking his totem every 40 seconds but also getting crazy pressure on the gens? Y'all should be pressuring him in that case. Survivors could afford to do totems and gens before, and can do so again. And spending all game on hook? Y'all are basically arguing that extremely casual survivors should be beating good killers. If your teammates aren't good enough, blame MMR for that. But don't just blame all your losses on the killer's doing alone. They can't do much.

I'm saying the downside should feel impactful for all killers. But if an M2 killer like Huntress uses their power on an exposed survivor, it only takes off one health state. But if the downside was broken instead of exposed, then the downside would feel impactful against M2 killers.

This is supposed to be a high risk / high reward perk, but against M2 killers it's often just high reward.

It is though.

M1 killers are M2 killers just with an advantage.

M2 killers dont HAVE to hit you with M2. They can (and should) just zone you and hit you with M1 if you shoulder someone.

You can make the argument for nurse sure but this perk wont matter to her (if you are any good at her).

Everyone should listen to content creators like Otzdarva and Hens because they're always "right".

Nobody can run different perks without complaining.

Thanks for this update. I had been spam-playing Thrill + Undying + Devour Hope + some other hex (generally crowd control or blood favor) and recording the games to make the point. Knowing it's going to be addressed soon, I don't have to keep playing this build that feels just too good

I hope this means yall doing a full revert while also adding the bp bonus back to the perk…I agree with everyone that the perk needs to be changed but I don't want it just to be reverted back to 10% and that is it. If it goes back to 10% plz add its bp bonus back to the perk.

Thank God, I thought I was gonna miss the Christmas event avoiding this whole current TotH meta.

Could you also discuss the current state of hex totems in the game with the team? This is the first time ever hex totems feel really good and rewarding. Yes, the buff might be a bit too much but it also shows that hex totem need some kind of this power to feel better to use because without it they feel like extremly high risk for mediocre rewarding.

We need a basekit change to hex totems to feel more reliable like not losing them because a survivor spawns next to it or the totem is easily found by the survivors because it spawned right next to a generator.

A healthy change to make hex totems more reliable would make the metagame so much better because then we had more perk variety, different gameplay for both sides, and creativity.

Please let this be a lesson to test impactful changes like this on Ptb. Always.