@Ancheri said:
I like your objectivity in this thread - 4 secs is definetely too short whereas 5 secs seems quite alright. I don't think that the dream transition time is gonna be the problem in your version, since survivors AND killer will be interested in finishing the transition process as quickly as possible (Survivors don't gain any progress and Freddy - well, he wants to chase!).
Sleepy debuff - alright, seems good. It would kinda stress the playstyle of Freddy relying in a controlled engagement by pulling as many survivors into the dream world as possible - as often and fast as possible.
No actions within the dream transition process - yep, that's needed. Although I would like survivors to still continue their action, but in some kind of an "invisible state", so they keep repairing (without progress or skill checks), but killers can already kick the gens (or they keep healing without progress and skill checks, but killers can pick up the surv on the ground). This would prevent survivors realizing the dream transition progress instantly (of course they'll mostly notice, but sometimes you realize you're being pulled into dream state some secs later).
Freddy's Bamboozle - naa, kinda disagree with that one. Yes, Freddy needs a slight advantage while chasing. And I also get your intention of making the chase a real "nightmare", but I don't like the idea of giving him the same advantages other killers got (I just don't feel like that's quite creative #nooffense ). For now I don't have any other ideas, but I'll keep thinking about it. Another idea: He is supposed to be a killer with an ultimate informational advantage, so why not keeping this image while in chase? There was another thread where people complained about the red stain on Freddy, because it would take away his informational advantage. Now I know it won't be enough to simply remove the red stain on Freddy. It would give him quite an advantage in several mindgames, but it's not a key advantage against truely great survivors. Experiments with the red stain might be a nice idea though.

As for the red stain, maybe the more survivors are in the dream world, the more powerful he gets, by removing the red stain piece by piece and increasing breaking speed, vaulting speed and stun resistance the more survivors are trapped

@jiyeonlee said:

@MrChubChub said:

welcome fog traveler!

The nightmare, oh boy; a character which was bad and became even badder after the nerf. Currently he’s the worst killer in the game, but for what reasons? Well...
1. His power does not help in a chase
2. Vulnerable to pallet looping (i mean, 8 out of 12 killers are culnerable but he’s worse)
3. Survivors don’t find the threat of being in the dream world, since you can just poke a needle into you or get some sparks onto you to wake up, also survivors can bodyblock while waking up, since the nightmare hitreg is weird when it comes to awake survivors
4. Pulling yourself up from the dying state makes you wake up

the current changes:

As of right now, these are the planned changes:
-no self care wake up
-no progression while falling asleep
-falling asleep time reduced from 7 seconds to 4
Now as a nightmare main, these changes are good, but they are not great: here’s why:
1. No progression while falling asleep means no stopping the action, meaning you can bodyblock while healing a downed survivor (unless there’s no progression while in the dream state, but that would be op from my standards)
2. 4 seconds is way too short, and if i recall correctly, you can stack the blocks add on, now this would be a good change (since the maximum time you could get is 0.5 from the very rare and rare block stack), if it wasn’t for the paintbrush. The paintbrush has 3 second reduction, meaning you could make a maximum of -1 second from stacking the paintbrush and the block
3. Im actually ok with the no self care wakeup, but i would see alot of survivors complaining freddy here and freddy there (just like the pre nerf freddy lul)

the changes to make:

As a nightmare main, the following changes would be good on the nightmare (turning him from a joke into a threat in just a few changes:
1. Time to fall asleep reduced from 7 seconds to 5 (a sweet spot from being too long to being too short
2. Waking up apllies a debuff called “sleepy”,
2.1. The sleepy debuff lasts 30 seconds and only works if the killer is freddy, after you wake up, if freddy puts you to sleep while the debuff is activated, you fall asleep 50% faster (this won’t stop the self care wake up, but it will help with those pesky shrvivors), also the swings chains applies an extra 25% to the sleepy debuff (only for that add-on)
3. Falling asleep stops your actions for the duration of the transition (you can then do your actions after you fall asleep, but at your own risk)
4. A new addition to freddy’s baseline power is called “the freddy’s bamboozle”
4.1. If you are in the dream world, you should be careful of your surroundings, strange occurrences may appear such as:
-fake freddys
-fake pallets that once close they will dissapear
-you could hear the heartbeat being close to you for a period of time
-you could see the red stain close to you for a period of time
-windows get blocked after one vault
These changes to the dream world makes for a harder challenge to get away from the nightmare
Remember these are just proposed changes to the nightmare, if you have an opinion, leave it down below, and try to be civil about it
Me chub chub out!

this guy know something i agree with you

but they told block add ons will get different option so 4seconds is fine (i heard at first reveal)

if blocks doesn't change option freddy might get op cause always can get free one hit with block add ons
as you said

only i don't like is number 4 cause its overpowered and idiotic

its all doctor's add on ability and clown's bamboozle combined for freddy's base ability?

Kinda, but it’s not like the doctor, once you pull a survivor in the dream world, a certain amount of pallets become fake (0/1/2/3), also the window one, i just put it there cause, let’s face it, he’s a joke.
But on the other hand, i tought of something even better than freddy’s bamboozle, which is freddy’s demise; the more survivors are in the dream world, the more powerful freddy gets, from 0 to 4.
Of the things he gets powerful are:
1. The red stain dissapearing when 4 survivors are in the dream world (becomes shorter the more survivors are in the dream world)
2. Vaulting speed (from 0% to 20%)
3. Breaking speed (from 0% to 20%, both pallets and gens)
4. Stun resistance (from 0% to 20*)