Will devs ever fix "crouch tech"?

Henz says that?
Every time I see him talking about "techs" this clown always says "skill expression" to lament things like Dracula's Wolf Hugh Tech being removed.

I'd be very surprised if he said this. Hens is associated with the comp scene and they allow crouch teching against strong killers. Even so called "high level" players don't think it's an issue.

"Tech" is a real funny word for "exploit"

My words exactly!

Person above me explained it perfectly, so I have nothing to add except it's so easy to see bias like this from hardcore mains of one side when you play both.

First of all, there's a major difference between crouch tech (which helps a survivor miss attacks from making their hitbox smaller... While slowing them down as they have to pause, crouch, avoid attack, and move) versus hug tech that allowed Blight to maneuver easily hit survivors.

Let's not forget that Blight is categorically an S tier killer.

At this rate, any killer that you could feasibly crouch tech (someone mentioned Nemesis earlier as you can crouch tech under a pallet to avoid being hit with the tentacle) along with the fact you can do the same with Xenomorph.

I don't understand how dodging your enemy's attack is considered an exploit, but in any other game it's alright.

But then again, Hillbilly and Blight are considered up there with Nurse — so, I don't really see the issue for them having counters, where again the vast majority of the playerbase doesn't even know about.

So you're making excuses for why you get to keep your shiny thing while making excuses for why others can't have their shiny thing.

"I don't understand how dodging your enemy's attack is considered an exploit, but in any other game it's alright."

You are abusing an unintended mechanic, ducking to dodge hits is only for things like ducking projectiles, not for attacks where the camera is locked and they are unable to angle their attack downward. You are also misrepresenting the two by implying that hug tech was just free hits with zero skill vs understanding elevation differences and tapping a button at the right time with crouch tech. Both techs have skill requirements, both break the game's collision interactions in unintended ways.

You can be for or against these "techs," but at least have some consistency.

Since you refuse to get the point I was making:

Comp has absolutely nothing to do with whether something is or isn't an exploit.

My "assumption" was that you are holding these exploits to different standards. It has nothing to do with your experience in the game, nor your usage of either "tech."

The risk to crouch tech is messing it up and losing distance and/or getting hit. The risk to hug tech was the survivor abandoning the loop (during setup) and circling around the tile in a way that you would be unable to reach them in time, especially since most of your bounces were used up (this is admittedly much easier on tiles that block visibility, for obvious reasons.)

Appeal to authority is not an argument. The devs being silent on an issue is not the same as an issue not existing, so I don't really understand what you're trying to prove there. Did they ever actively approve of it? I would like to see if there is any evidence they endorse this "tech" any more or less than the other ones that have been patched out on both sides (remember, things like flashlight blinds and vaults cancelling stagger on landing were fixed as well, so it does happen with both sides.) Many of the exploits that have been patched out of the game had been present for very long periods of time (most notably hug tech,) so the fact that it hasn't been addressed yet isn't an argument.

An exploit is not suddenly ok because it has been around for a while or because it only affects certain killers. This is exactly why I bring the parallel with Hug Tech, it was around for ages and it was much more effective on bad survivors than good ones. I'm not saying "git gud" so please don't try to put that sentiment in my mouth, I'm merely pointing out that both exploits have disproportionate value depending on the skill of the players involved. Bad players don't crouch tech, nor did they use hug tech. Both require a degree of understanding about their respective scenarios and applications.

Lastly my stance has nothing to do with "whether killers need" to not be subject to their hits just completely disappearing into the aether because someone tapped a button at the right time, it has to do with the inconsistency between the two changes, and how each side's arguments for/against them can often be applied to both. You're trying to claim an unintended interaction is good because you want to use it as a method of "rebalancing" what you think is skewed against you, not whether mechanics are actually working properly. So again, you're making excuses for why you get to keep your fancy toy while being completely content with your opponent not getting the same courtesy.

Lastly, telling a killer to not use their power, especially M2 killers, is a completely asinine reaction to exploits preventing said powers from working properly. It doesn't address the core issue even remotely.

Right, so your argument is that hug tech is comparable or at least on the same level of crouch tech?

A survivor using crouch tech against three killers that I've listed doesn't always work as it requires precise timing in terms of crouching and again, as I've said prior oftentimes puts a survivor at a disadvantage as they're losing distance to these killers. 2/3 of these killers have the momentum to catch up to the survivor to make the crouch tech redundant in the first place and only punishes the killer if they decide to continually M2 over and over again.

However, hug tech on the other hand — yes, it requires precise timing and control... But Blight has the ability to continue that momentum due to the fact that he has the mobility to catch up to said survivor. Behavior in and of itself said it was an unintended bug that Blight had and justifiably took it out of the game as it was giving Blight the ability to not only hit the survivors and traverse the map in such a way, but also keep the momentum going to steamroll over the survivors.

Now tell me, how is crouch tech any way shape and form similar to hug tech? Crouch tech has more downsides and risks involved when we compare both techs together.

Competitive Dead By Daylight is a great example to use as they often use stricter rules and ensure more fair gameplay and tactics are used — if crouch tech was as problematic and game breaking as it is, it would be outright banned.

Behavior is quite aware of the crouch tech, yet here we see one is removed while the other is still in the game.

I must ask you, why you feel like there should be no counterplay to M2 attacks? Why do you feel like you need to consistently hit survivors during a rush or an overdrive hit just because you aim at a survivor and now they're no longer able to crouch to dodge it? Now survivors can only move side to side allowing easier downs for the strongest killers in the game?

Please, teach me.

Lmao, I was surprised when it even happened. I can show you the video if you want to see it. 🤣

I was playing Ace with only Self Care as I was doing the dreaded challenge to escape while only using Self Care. ☠️ I did it on RPD in particular. I think it's mostly timing and the angle where Xenomorph shoots his tail at you. I always just instinctively drop a pallet and crouch under to avoid the tail. Just takes practice is all. 😊

I can show you the video if you want to see it. 🤣

If you're willing to share it, I'll happily accept, friend.

Thank you, friend!

I need to master this ability. Really tired of that tail attack.

Nemesis' power hits from top down on the highest target in range so crouching is the best way to avoid it with how spamy and little recoil for a miss the M2 has.

Do people genuinely think that having a smaller hitbox while crouched is a bug?

That's not crouch teching, that's just crouching to dodge the hit. Xeno could've hit you if they aimed a little lower or dragged the tail down after. There's no exploit in this, they just messed up and you played well. This shouldn't be removed.

Crouch tech is where you crouch while below the killer which causes Billy, Blight, and Demo's power to be unable to hit you. Most people use it when the killer is inside the shack and you are just outside the door. Since the ground in there is slightly higher, crouching outside makes them slide off you.

Crouch teching should be removed in my opinion. Especially for Demo who's already mediocre. There's not that much risk involved as some people claim since you would've been hit there, there is no risk in attempting it. Either you mess it up and get hit like you were going to anyway, or you dodge the hit and the killer just gets punished for no reason.

Crouch tech is a quirk of the camera dependance of the game as is evidenced by Spirit's sound bug when changing FoV. Thus it is an emerging play. In fact it is not even the smaller hitbox that is the problem but the locked camera when using power. If it wasn't locked the killer would just look down and that's a downed survivor. Though I suppose there is a reason they locked it.

The only two situations in your vid I deem problematic are shack and stairs/slopes. Shack is easily dealt with by removing the step leaving stairs/slopes as the only real offender. Also considering this affects mostly Billys and Blights I am not concerned but that is beside the point; sucks for Demo, oh well.

I think instead of a blanket "fix crouch tech" you should push for map adjustments like the step at shack then play around elevation.