Double Invocation...

it would be OP

Would it really be OP though? Permanent broken for the rest of the trial, 60 seconds in basement + killer notified on completion, and 2 perk slots in return for a BNP on every gen and situational aura read doesn't seem OP to me.

How?

You have to think further. Much further. These will not be the only Invocation Perks. More are guaranteed to come. Imagine 4 Invocation Perks all activated at once. Those are powerful effects for all survivors, and for the price of just one Broken effect and 60s (if you do it solo). That would be way too powerful. Not to mention SWF in combination with that.

Because they all share the same downside already of being broken, it wouldn't make sense to also be allowed to overlap the time spent on them.

The only reason it wouldn't necessarily be overpowered right now is because Treacherous Crows is a bad perk and needs a buff. But eventually if you could do 4 strong invocations (assuming all of them are as strong as they should be, which Treacherous Crows currently isn't) all in 60 seconds it could be too much.

Weaving Spiders is almost in a good spot as it is tbh, it just needs to be changed to not get countered by gen blocking, there should not be a risk that you spend 60 seconds in basement for the perk to do absolutely nothing if Grim Embrace happened to be up when you finished it.

Until that day comes, it will be 2030 already.

Plus, they will probably just create something like "One random pallet gets rebuilt, but only if you do it on a Friday exactly at midnight. You also get broken. And the pallet can be also broken in 0.2 seconds."

Yes, Im thinking now. BHVR has made different perk types in the past and left them in the dust (teamwork). If this really becomes a big category of perks, then im willing to see that it might become goodish. Right now though? Even with both being activated at the same time its not worth it in my book. The risk is too high.

Well, that's the thing. With the release of Treacherous Crows, BHVR has cemented that Invocations will always be below F-tier in quality. 60 seconds of invocation time + permabroken is a deficit that could only be made balanced by giving it some fundamentally broken effect on the other side. And they're not going to do that, because that would likely be horrid to play against. So they go big on the risk/investment cost, but then slam the brakes on the reward to ensure the perk gets buried below the bottom of the trashbin.

As @Ayodam says, these are effectively killer perks, and as long as they have the investment cost that they do, the entire category of perks is a complete write-off.

This is not about whether the benefits are strong or weak. Have you not seen what happened to the blessings in the beginning? Have you learned nothing? That's right, you know everything better again. That makes no sense

nothing changed with blessings. Circle of healing was busted and got nerfed, none of the other boons ever played a part and none of them aside from COH have been changed since released.

How many times do we have to post this?

Because Invocations are permanent effects that change the game. They're intended to permanently change the game in your favor in exchange for a mere minute of your time in the basement. You can snuff Boons, you can destroy Hexes, but the Killer can do nothing once an Invocation is cast. Because that's the point of Invocations.

Why should we have multiple game-changing, game stacking effects go off together? If you want to have that much game-changing power, then bring your two Invocations and do them. I mean do you really think it's fair to subject a Trapper to forever aura read and also less charges on one gen? I don't think so. That sounds OP to me.

There's an argument to be made for changing the effect doing an Invocation has, like maybe Treacherous Crows shouldn't perma Break you and should perma Blind you instead. But there is none, not one, except "Because I wanna win even harder and be superman against M1s that cannot handle it" for asking for Invocations to stack this way. I mean what if we get an even stronger one and Invocations can stack? Imagine Weaving, Crows, some Invocation that gives permanent 3% Haste, and some Invocation that permanently reduces the Killer's speed by 5% or something. Imagine that. And they all stack.

If they want to do more Invocations in the future, they cannot have them stack. Because four people can bring them and then have a bunch of things stacked in their favor so the Killer can't do ANYTHING. Like it or not, Invocations need to stay unstackable. Or do you want Killers buffed even more to handle the possibility of an Invocation meta? I don't.

Don't buff Invocations by making them stack. Buff them by buffing what they do individually so you only need to take one.

Yes, and why do you think boons are allowed to be multicast and no others have been changed? Because combined they are still not a problem. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here.

they're like hex perks on killer end. High risk, Low reward. i still think the invocations should have a looping effect where they trigger multiple times per match after being finished to make them high reward, high risk.

I wouldn't exactly call these powerful: Brand new part on each generator that can't be regressed. Killer spooked a crow, you see their aura for 2 seconds if a survivor is in their terror radius.

People tried to show that Weaving Spiders could be good, but that realistically required a SWF whose goal was to pop 5 gens that already had most of the work done and taking advantage of the limited gen regression a killer could do. Yet its more of a trap perk for solo play because of the lack of coordination and that if you do that, your just making yourself an easier target.

The invocations injuring the survivor and applying permanent broken status is part of what actually holds them back from solo play. If it was a temporary broken status, you could work around that, just survive how many ever seconds and then heal up, meaning you could bring Strength in Shadows, or Self Care, or even just a Medkit to heal yourself up.

This is also why Taurie is partly seen as Sable 2. As her perks follow a similar mechanical themeing (an invocation with permanent broken as a cost, a healing perk, a hook-related perk, and one of those gives aura reading to see the killer). In addition the healing perk and the invocation perk have anti-synergy with each other.

Like what your really imagining is this kind of ideal scenario for it to be even remotely strong: Invocations applied a temporary broken status, you brought all four of them, all four would be completed at the same time, and that you brought a medkit with a syringe.