Ghost Face should be nerfed

And that's perfectly in character with ghostface and his existance as a stealthkiller. His point is not for you to know that you'll die, his point is that he lingers near you somewhere without being seen until he stalked you and then he attacks.

I dont think we have the data to determine Ghostface's strength, I want to see killrate over mmr for that.

All I know when I play Survivor everyone dies like all the time.

Well, don't take protection hits, if you think he has power ready and you are not 100% sure you are not 99% stalked.
Unless you consider it is worthy to get downed for it.

But at least you can take protection hit against him… You have killers where you simply can't do it, or killers where you will get downed no matter what. So it's not like he is unique even at this aspect.

Ahaha, no, they're not going to nerf him. If anything they will buff him further. This is because Ghostface is already balanced; the only thing Ghostface needs is a Reveal rework that makes it better for both sides, and his lean fixed. He's otherwise a very fair Killer if you have eyes, ears, and situational awareness. He literally only asks you to pay attention. Surely paying attention isn't that hard? It's sure not for me when I am against a Ghostface.

He just… doesn't need a nerf. He's not in need of anything LIKE a nerf, he's not broken or strong enough to deserve a nerf. Chucky arguably deserved a nerf, Dracula deserved a slight nerf. Ghostface literally doesn't. He's a high C to low B tier and if he can't keep Shroud, he's got nothing. He can't hit you over loops, he can't end chases in five seconds, he can't create 50/50s, he can't even cross the map quickly. They JUST gave him buffs, minor ones, to help him function better because he DOES struggle so much in the pace of modern DBD and he actually STILL struggles even then if the team is any good - play him against a decent strong looper team, and you'll see exactly why he deserved the buffs and still deserves more. He has no BS mechanics except Reveal jank which literally isn't his fault and is bad design on the Devs' part for not making this more responsive on both his and the Survs' ends.

If anything, he needs MORE buffs and a better Reveal mechanic. His gameplay is fair, you're just mad you can't loop him easily anymore because he can get his Shroud back faster, one tap you if he plays correctly (he could always do that and that's the intended way to play both him and Myers, it's actually considered a marker of skillful play to 99 like this) and mindgame more easily in chase now.

Literally you're mad he's not D tier. That's what you're mad about here, that he can't be made a mockery of anymore (and he still can be if you know what you're doing). Stop asking for nerfs for Killers you don't know how to play against just because you find their design annoying, blame the Devs. At the least learn what line of sight is. At the least learn how to predict around tiles.

If you are gonna nerf him, he needs MASSIVE buffs everywhere else to compensate. He just does. He has nothing else otherwise, how would it be fair to nerf the one thing he does really well without any buffs? I don't think you would like that, and I don't think Survivors would stand for that.

It's shameful and a massive tell on ANYONE who upvoted in agreement that he needs a nerf, ANYONE who agrees with OP here needs to re-evaluate why they're so bad at the game they need to cry about nerfing an M1 Killer who loses his power if you mildly stare at him for 1 second. Is Trapper too spicy for you too? Is Myers too hard to handle?

You are not owed an experience where you are never frustrated with the game. You are not owed having your hand held for the whole game.

It's actually absolutely pathetic that people are asking for nerfs for a basic M1 Killer now because they never want any Killer to be too challenging for them to handle. Really sad how far Survivors have fallen in terms of skill, nobody seems to know what a mindgame is anymore.

i escaped every ghostface in the last two months. he is terribly bad vs soloq. the average ghostface is a joke. there is possibility that there are some ghostface players that have positive win records but the killer is seldomly picked and when i do face him, he puts up no fight.

his stats match up with my experience. when i saw ghostface on the change list with myer's, i figured gf and myers would have extensive changes and be the highlight of chapter. unfortunately, myer's received a nerf and ghostface received nothing. at very least for myer's they gave him a stalking buff so now he gets tier 3 for doing almost nothing with 2 stalk add-on's so he's like legion where every m1 is instant down but both killers suffer from no innate chase power. gf still has to work for his instant down and yet his power still isn't very good while your post suggests to nerf him further for what little strength he has.

So why do you find it so hard to loop an M1 Killer? Asking for a friend.

First time i heard someone call Ghostface OP but it wouldn't surprise if he gets a nerf

Yes.

Because they're spoiled from getting Skurchent, who was totally reworked, nerfed and now they think they can get any Killer they find even remotely slightly too spicy also nerfed, too. We're seeing it in real time.

If Ghostface is nerfed in this manner without any regard to how it affects his delicate stalk timing gameplay, then he would have to be hardcore buffed EVERYWHERE ELSE to compensate and make him viable. They would have to give him antiloop, mobility, AND haste to even remotely compensate for nerfing him by making this counter so strong against him, otherwise his killrates would plummet well below what BHVR wants and nobody would ever play him. He's already not a common pick, how often are you really seeing Ghostface after you hit a certain MMR?

Not only is this counter to his intended character necessary for his gameplay loop, not only would nerfing it upset people who enjoy his gameplay, it would literally make Survivors unhappier because he'd just be another overly buffed Haste-applied M1 Killer. I thought we all agreed no more random added Haste?

Why do you doubt your ability so much, you think an M1 Killer with no power and no perks is too strong? And BHVR doesn't care? Really? When we just got one of the strongest Survivor perks in Shoulder the Burden EVER?

I really think you just want to always win and never have any challenge with a claim like that. You must be joking. You have to be joking. You cannot think that Survivor players as a whole are this incapable, you're trolling you are ACTUALLY TROLLING.

Maybe this isn't the game for you if you literally cannot even handle a powerless, perkless M1 Killer at the most basic of loops, man. Survivors deserve to be treated like they have skill and this game deserves Killers that have powers that can challenge that skill. Why do you want the game to be Barney and Friends, I'll never understand people like you.

If you seriously want EVERY KILLER even the weakest ones so nerfed, Survivors never lose a game again, this is not the game for you. There are many games where you can guaranteed win every time but a multiplayer versus game IS NOT IT and I thank every deity you're not on the balance team, because with takes like this one the game would be dead in the water in under a year.

It's genuinely so upsetting that you have so little faith in your skill as Survivor that you have to claim even the weakest of Killers are OP, and it's genuinely also clear this game is too spicy for you and you can't handle it because you for some reason have a need to hardcore dominate every single Survivor game because you cannot stand the thought of ever losing to even a weak Killer.

I genuinely think after seeing your post history that you won't be happy unless all the much needed buffs to every Killer are reverted, every Killer is rendered a simple M1 chase machine that is there solely for your amusement and never challenges you in any way, things go back to the time when Killers quit en masse because the game was so stacked in Survivors' favor they didn't want to play at all, and then also give Survivors more extra buffs on top of all that. You seem to genuinely want this to be some sort of game where you can beat up on the Killer Friday the 13th the Game style, I don't think even the 2v8 buffs being brought to 1v4 would satisfy your weird need to team up with people to stomp some poor schmo just trying to have fun with a Killer they enjoy into the ground.

We do not and never should have room for that sort of one sided stomp in this game, period ever. I pray something so heinously unfair never becomes a part of the game again.

I don't understand it, but you seem really unhappy and like you don't want to be playing with takes like this one. If that's the case, then please, I beg of you, leave the Fog and find something more your speed, because it's not fair to anyone Survivors included to pretend that all Survivors are so helpless that even a basic M1 Killer is too spicy for us. It's absolutely ludicrous and it's insulting, you do not speak for us.

Stop insulting us as players, and stop insulting yourself. You're better than this, you deserve more dignity than this. And if you really think you don't, please stop playing this game you clearly aren't enjoying. Please. For your sake.

With the state of many of the maps the way they are now an m1 killer probably could get almost 50% kill rate. Loops, which are part of the map, are basically the only way for a survivor to get away most of the time, so, on new coldwind for example, where there are essentially no usable loops anymore, an m1 killer should win a lot of the time. So why don't you stop playing the game since you obviously dont understand it and just demand that your side have an advantage at all times. Its truly pathetic that you're so bad at games you have to play the stronger side on one of the most unbalanced games ever made and then pretend like you play survivor much at all or give a crap about them. Looking at your post history you just seem like a normal gaslighting killer main and the fact you try to get personal just makes you more sad and pathetic. And guess what I'm going to keep playing dbd and I'm going to keep going next whenever something is unfair or even just if I feel like it and hopefully I can help to get a lot more killers like skull merchant and chucky, and now hopefully slugging in general as well, nerfed.

All the devs need to do is play one game against a ghost face player of middling competence, and it will be Matheau Cote and the flashlight nerfs all over again.

Thanks for the laughs. Really made my day with that joke.