Eyrie of Crows, Macmillan and Azarov Offerings

Its a myth the autohaven maps are balanced they're all survivor sided except Wrecker's Yard.

Despite what many believe, there are plenty of players and swfs who just want a fun match. If a map offering is brought and its considered a 'balanced' map, its probably one of those teams who want a fun game. Its typical that anything that isnt directly offensive is treated suspiciously. Nice work, humans!

Also admiting to DCing is literally bannable. From the forums anyway, youll still be able to play if they decide to time you out.

It might be strong for you, but you are not the defining 'line'. If you get better, you might see this map not be as problematic as you feel it is currently. Keep at it, champ!

 From my experience based on the offering you can tell how the user players/what type of player they are.

Really? Please tell us more! Tell me all the kinds of players there are, and what each offering means, please. /s

It -could- be this. Or it could be players who want a fun or even map. Its not always doom and gloom, though dbd might be better off if it was lol

Eyrie is definetely not survivor-sided.

Main building is weak. Once you break walls, both vaults are dead. And it's only has one pallet. It's god pallet for sure but it can't be looped around because it's too long. So survivor has to drop it without running around too much. Rest of the map is fine after BHVR reduced pallet numbers.

What a negative way to take anything. Its all about your own perspective, and you need a check. I was not being rude in the slightest.

Eyrie main building is weak though. Once the breakable walls are gone, the windows are easy to deal with. The real strength of Eyrie is the large amount of connected loops — particularly by Killer Shack.

Usually I only run a map option as a survivor for one reason… fall and escape the killer 2 times or 3 or whatever it is. There are a ton of them in the Tomes. As a killer it's only cuz I'm running Scratch Mirror or if I feel people should be punished...Doctor at the meat packing plant. Lol

I understand that. But I say this as advice, not a command. I was banned for a month* because I said something akin to DC'ing if X reason happens. I don't agree with it, but they'll ban who they deem doing this. Carry on, regardless :)

*: When I say ban, I am only speaking from the forums. Saying you do so apparently affects other players into thinking its ok. I think.

I’ve been getting sent to MacMillan a lot. 🤢

I would agree 💯 (If I am thinking of that map correctly)

I would agree with forgotten ruins my friend, there’s nothing in the middle, it’s all on the edges. However, Thompson House is decent. I would even argue Aliens map isn’t terrible :)

As a survivor I love using the main building and outside of it there are plenty of connecting larger tiles with small loops you can use to weave through to get to your bigger tile.

I think the ship is odd though? It’s big sure but it only has 1 pallet. There’s isn’t much in that corner.

Its disrupting normal game play and might give someone new, wrong ideas of how to tackle this game, that they didn't have prior. Just stay on the safe side and just discuss this matter a bit more academic and hypothetically and things should be okay.

I personally also can't stand any of the swamp maps as killer, they are just atrocious with all the clutter and bushes and half the killers powers get countered just by the environment.

Garden of Joy was always a place to torment killers, no matter the small revisions it got. That place will never be anything but survivor sided.

Crotusprenn is just really big and hard to traverse as the killer and I would say its more survivor leaning.

Giddeon Meat Plant is also such a big timewaster for nearly every killer in the game. I learned to somehow cope with it, but survivors can literally just predrop any pallet on that map and still have enough ammunition for the entire match.

RPD is a weird one: I guess technically I win most matches there, but its somewhat aweful to play and I kinda hate it.

Hawkins is also very oldschool in its map-design and has some very confusing layout, at times and strong loops, lots of pallets and tight, cluttered hallways. I would recon its also survivor sided, especially if the survivor keep the two upside gens for mid to last and don't tackle them first.

I must say I disagree with Nostromo and Thompson's House, my friend, I don't think they provide the necessary resources that survivors have to have in order to escape.

The strength of a map for survivors is not defined by the amount of pallets it has, the main criterion is the size. The bigger the size, the better it is for survivors, because they have much more space to run once they hear the terror radius. Trust me, if Coldwind was so bad for survivors, they wouldn't be picking this map so often in competitive.

I mean, even if you don't want to listen to him, all it takes is looking at what maps show up in competitive DBD sets to realize that azarov's and macmillan realms have the most balanced maps. They are also comfortable for most veteran players to play and have somewhat avoided the absolute travesty that is modern DBD map rebalancing, where they make every loop terrible and add a bunch of deadzones. Add to the fact that they are somewhat open outdoor maps and it is not uncommon to see survivors bringing them as well as killers like nurse, hillbilly, and blight.

You like waiting into a queue, only to be thrown into a queue again?

I'm not sure I'd say it's weak, but with nothing connecting to it; it certainly isn't as strong as it has been previously.

It's kinda okay-ish, but it becomes a death trap if the pallets in the building are gone.

They may be hoping for an M1 Killer who can't keep up as well on these maps. See Suffo Pit and Gas Heaven for how nasty these can be as an M1 especially with low mobility.

It's also due to familiarity and the perception they are balanced. They are only balanced, however, if both sides know the maps well and know all the spawn logic. These people offering these maps are offering them because it's comfort food - they know how to run the loops on these maps, and the RNG is consistent and won't screw them over like if they get say… Coldwind or Ormond or anywhere else, so that's all they ever want to run.

BHVR is trying to address this with multiple variants of the same maps, but really all they need to do is just call it all one map and let the game randomly place things like Main, the Bearcat, Shack, etc. instead of always putting them in one place (Main middle, Bearcat in a corner or near Main, etc.)

I also think lowkey they can just… get rid of one map from every one of the OG three realms. Do we really need five versions of Autowrecker's, Coldwind, and MacMillan's?

I'd say 8/10 times an auto wreckers offering is brought it's a try hard swf knowing full well it's a strong survivor map. And the frequency of this offering being brought to matches by survivors is unbelievable. Even during the event mode, I would expect some offerings to try new map but nope. Huge proportion of players are bring autohaven offerings. Some even quit the match if they bring the offering and don't get the map, it's crazy.

Eyrie has a few good loops but its problem is that they don’t connect easily like they did before. Main is only good if the pallet hasn’t been used. If it has, not much to do there without Balanced Landing. You can’t even reliably isolate the killer because the map has a wide gen spread.

If survivors want to bring survivor sided maps then they’re going to play offerings for Badham or Crotus Penn as those I believe are most survivor-sided realms. Maybe Lery’s but that’s pretty killer dependent and could backfire.