Still don't recommend this game

Yes, thats correct. Until a counter is put in place, use Lightborne. Do I think we should have to do that? No.

However, you can't complain there is no way around it presently when there is.

Killers could bring perks that are exactly what they need to counter the survivors' builds, and it still wouldn't be enough if the survivors played well. So that doesn't help.

Here recently I was talking to a librarian about video games that I like, and when I mentioned DBD and he looked it up and saw Pyramid Head, his eyes kind of lit up. He really seemed stoked about trying it out. A part of was glad because I like the game, but then a part of me was like, "Oh, no, what have I done?" Lol.

There are some solutions to be considered:

1- Lightborn. The flashlights are useless now.

2- If you like risking it a bit more and have licensed DLCs: Weave+Franklin's. This way their items are useful for them, but also for you. They become a double-edged sword. Hit'em, make them drop the flashlights and when they come close to them, you see their auras. And these kind of people love their items. You will force them to either drop the item mid-chase, still letting you see their auras and giving you time to catch up, or go to an edge of the map and drop the item there, forcing them to loose time if they do want their item back.

"uncounterable flash bangs"

Every time I see this it's such a huge tell. Situational awareness is a counter to this every time.

What you're really saying here is that you're going through an entire chase with a second survivor who is not just lurking nearby the whole time, but in order to keep up with that chase they have to be loud, run full bore, leave scratch marks, fast vault, and then somehow the killer didn't know they were there?

It's literally the killers job to find survivors, so if you're missing all of those indicators that's either a massive skill issue or you should try turning your monitor on and play that way instead.

yea but the grind to prestige him sucks if you don’t play him at all. Having to grind for a perk for one specific play style sucks for both sides. We need to get the devs to do something about the uncounterable flashbangs soon.

I haven't actually played a Civ game since the very first one on DOS.

I remember I once had a bronze age Phalanx unit fortified against modern battleships and jet fighters. They just could not take it down no matter how hard they tried (terrain modifiers or something?). Anyway, it was so funny.

Yeah you still have things that are ridiculous like that in Civ 6 lol

how do killers choose the direction of chase?

So, when I say this I'm never taking about absolute, complete control. The survivor doesn't have that either.

You likely aren't going to approach a gen being worked on from anywhere other than the direction you started from, for example, although... If you really wanted to prevent a direction you could approach from a different way.

No, I'm taking about looping direction and zoning. Once you're at a loop, the killer completely determines if that loop is run clockwise or counter clockwise. Some loops are much weaker run one way.

You can also largely determine which direction the survivor has to leave a loop. Breaking a pallet on one side of the other means the survivor has to go the other way away from you. Again, not every loop, but the killer can go anywhere, the survivor is forced to run away from the killer. So yeah, if you put yourself on the far side from shack, the survivor is going to run away from you and toward shack. But if you can put yourself between the survivor and shack, specifically by half looping again, they have to run away from it.

I feel like these should be killer 101 things, but more and more I'm understanding that people are apparently blasting music, half paying attention to the game, and just following survivors exact pathing around the map.

And you're somehow missing not only footsteps, but also fast vaults and scratch marks at a bare minimum. If you run anything other than slowdown, you can also see their aura. Hell, infectious fright literally hard counters this exact scenario for you.

Honestly, I'm kind of done with this conversation entirely. Your first response literally boils down to "well, a killer barely paying attention to the game should be able to hard counter a well coordinated SWF without any specific perks or effort" and that's just not a reasonable take. It's par for the course on these forums, but not something that should be balanced around.

You're either playing casually, in which case cool: so do I. But then don't get so upset that people might sweat more than you do. My attitude is if they want it so badly then so be it, I don't pretend to be the best DbD player to ever draw breath. (Although to read some of the things on these forums, I'm apparently a god at this game)

But if you're actually wanting to win, then you should start with taking the headphones off and playing seriously. Not arguing that your opponent forced you to put both hands on the computer to play.

To be honest with you this is one of the reasons why I really struggle against Spirit. Hearing is nearly essential when countering Spirit, and if you have hard hearing or don't have high quality headphones she becomes significantly harder to face.

Flashbangs are easily counterable by being aware of your surroundings when you pick up a survivor. You don't have to bring Lightborn.

Also, I would recommend you learn to appreciate the challenge and use it to make you better at the game. Respect the players, learn the ways to counter them without the crutch of Lightborn, and you will be a better player.

The problem is Flashbang noise occlusion is still glitched even with the fix added. It's hard to be aware of something you cannot hear coming.