Shoulder the burden what happened?

The same thing was said about Reassurance. The reality is most people don't want to run perks that help other survivors because they're more easily focused out of the game that way. It's also difficult to know when the right time to use it is.

I actually have it equipped but I believe I only have a good opportunity to use it 1 out of 5 games even if I don't get hooked. I see no reason to use it on someone who has gotten single hooked and a lot of the time if they are getting tunneled I am either not present to save them and use the perk or people do not know I have it equipped and disallow me to use it.

Then there are occasions where I can use it but it would result in me likely being focused out of the game instead. So a lot of the time without luck or communication it's a wasted perk slot.

Fundamentally it's use relies on you trusting your teammates to make good use of it... There is no point using it on a Bambi who goes down inside 10 seconds, and there is no point using it if the killer isn't tunneling.

You need a LOT of faith in the person you are shouldering the burden with that the risk of your own health state will be worth it.

Then there is the fact we're in the spineless era, where a lot of survivors give up far too soon. What this perk does is grant the survivor team time... but if they've already given up and started playing for hatch, you can buy them 5 minutes and it still doesn't matter.

You probably have not been going against coordinated SWFs. That's where it's broken.

I think it's been addressed above, but ultimately it boils down to it being a very strong perk, but it requires a coordinated team to be able to get value out of.

It would help SoloQ if the pre-game lobby, or load-in screen showed what perks each player is running, similarly to how DBD Mobile did

We have so many perks that come out where Content Creators talk about strong it is going to be, and then they drop it as well after the first few weeks.

I think the bigger requirement for StB, far more than being in a SWF, is the player running it being an extremely skilled looper. Because if you take a hook state and then just go down pretty quickly, you haven't delayed the killer's elimination very much (and much less than other anti-tunnel perks you could be running). But if you are an amazing looper and you aren't worried about drawing the killer to you, then it can help.

Because the perk is bad since most dbd players don't play in a perfectly coordinated 4 man sweat swf.

For the average dbd player, the perk only provides value in one extremely specific scenario: the killer is hard tunneling one of your teammates without proxy camping (and ideally, the killer has no idea that this perk exists).

Bambi best word to describe a teammate who always goes down fast 😂

Gonna use this from now on. Thanks 👍

Correct me if I am wrong, because it could have been updated when it first was released; but the killer can also see if its been used and who used it, potentially making them the tunnel target. Again, I could be mistaken, I just remember seeing it when I was playing my killer matches at release. So that right there definitely is a deterrent. With how matches and games have been being played and the direction the game has been, that perk can be useful only if you don't want to be in the match long and you want to be a "guardian angel" to your team before you leave.

That would be my guess. I'm more of a stealthy, altruistic player but how matches have been its safer for all and easier not to use it and unhook/heal normally. Sub another perk to assist in escaping or hope you have a good team to help take hits so you can escape and hide to heal up.

The perk is overtuned in coordinated SWFs, where more than one survivor is equipping the perk.

Killers at the MMR soft cap, should be seeing a decent amount of games where the survivors are stacking and daisy chaining the perk.

Killers at low or average MMR, or solo q survivors, probably won’t see a lot of games with the perk being stacked.

I've seen literally one time it was used and got value saving me, but i was getting tunneled any way and it only worked cause i HAD anti tunnel on me any way and was done by a player just hiding a long time during the match,.

if i want to help me team not get tunneled as much id rather bring borrowed time or for the people and a personal healing build with dead hard and DS for anti tunnel. which is much more reliable and doesn't compromise you nearly as hard as taking a hook state for someone that might not even have protection after and go down in 10 seconds compared to those other options.

yes, for the people can break you, but that both encourages the killer to go after you and dead hard gives you a skill shot to effectively mitigate that drawback. while also giving great time efficiency

You've mentioned people "daisy chaining" the perk twice now, but does that actually like… do anything?

If you're not trying to tunnel whoever it was used on, surely that just kinda shuffles around the hook states without it changing anything about how close you are to winning or how much time you're investing, right?

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To the wider point, I think Shoulder The Burden is an interesting example for demonstrating the difference between saying a perk is going to be very strong, and saying a perk is going to shake up the meta.

StB's effect is, unambiguously, exceptionally strong anti-tunnel. It even does a little in some scenarios where the killer isn't tunnelling, though considerably less. It being very strong doesn't mean people are actually going to run it, though- the need for a little coordination and the lengthy Exposed make it unpopular even though it is very good.

That being said, since it is specifically an anti-tunnel perk, I would like to see it be a little easier to use. Changing the Exposed to an aura read would be a good way of still taking aggro from a tunnelling killer but giving lesser-skilled and solo queue players a significantly easier time actually lasting with that aggro on them.

Increasing the number of hooks it takes for the killer to eliminate one of the survivors, is bad for the killer.

It's really strong. It's additional uses of OTR, DH, Second Wind, other people's unhook perks, etc. People just need to realize when and how to use the perk. I don't think I've had a killer match that wasn't extremely hard while Shoulder The Burden was in play.

My play style tends to stealthy and patient, so StB works for me in combination with Kindred. I generally use StB on my friends (we are NOT a coordinated SWF) but have used it on randoms if they appear to be tunneled or just weak on evasion. I’m glad it’s in. It is a niche perk, but aren’t most? I’m ok w being exposed using it, although it does seem a bit overlong considering it doesn’t change total hooks and doesn’t include any endurance. Halfway between the PTB and current would seem a better balance.

Share the Burden is a really good perk, it just comes with a clear and heavy cost so the situations you use it might not always be clear or even appropriate for that matter. It's definitely niche but what it does it does extremely well and personally I think that's a good way to balance it given what it does. It should be a niche perk but it should also be powerful at what it does and shoulder the burden does both. I wouldn't want it to get buffed in a way where everybody starts running it because that'd just make for a horrible experience.

I used it quite a lot when it dropped, and it is a thing of beauty when it works, ie a killer is really hung up on tunneling one survivor out of the game and you just turn that plan on a dime with Shoulder … but for each such occurence, I had about 10 games, where the perk just sat there, doing nothing, or where I hit second stage before anyone else. Ideally you would wan't to use Shoulder in a situation where you are hookless and someone else is on second stage, so that you can quite literally "shoulder the burden" - in this regard the perk is a bit like Deliverance: awesomely strong when it works, but also comes with its own little curse attached, that increases the chances of you being hooked first/reaching second stage first by +75%.

I might run the perk again, as I think its really good and strong, but its not as easily plug and play as something like Lithe or so, you really need to get a feel when its worth to use the perk and in what situations it will do more harm then good. It also helps if you are a pretty good looper, so that you don't just feed the killer, just by using it.

I think shoulder the burden will never be a popular perk because most people that play are soloq. And in soloq stb is dangerous as hell to use. I don't want to take somebody's hook state and then they immediately go next or get chased by the killer and go down two seconds later. If you're dealing with a real back to hook Harry, they're just gonna run back to the hook, down me because I'm exposed and then down "their prize tunnel" right after. Three hooks states all in one.

I think streamers were all up in arms about this perk because they're in the absolute best position to use it, since they play this game for a living. High MMR and more than likely have lots of experience in a well coordinated swf. The rest of us are lucky if two other people touch gens and everybody just doesn't start going next, hiding in lockers or go akf at the corner of the map somewhere.

The only time I might be tempted to use this perk is if somebody showed me they could loop the killer for ages. But I'm not sure I would take up a perk slot based on that hope.