Do you think Freddy's rework will be nerfed because Survivors complained?

going off of how quick they nerf things when survivors complain about killer buffs yes most likely something will be removed or nerfed its a guarantee at this point

I don't think they meant Freddy can teleport to survivors if they're healing, but rather Freddy can see sleeping survivors if they're healing while asleep and can teleport to a nearby gen. Considering freshly unhooked survivors are awake, this shouldn't lead to an increase in tunneling or anything.

I'm not going to argue with you... I'm just going to come back to this comment when PTB hits live asking where the separate "teleport to a survivor" interaction is.

yay!! a good friend of mine will appreciate this

Freddy can teleport to ANY survivor via using gens. The dev post section your referring to was pointing out a new info buff. Like I said though, I'll come back to this in a week or however long it takes PTB to come out. Something tells me you're going to make excuses about what you're picturing not being there.

it will probably work just like Pinheads teleport to a surv solving the lament configuration

The only problem i see healing teleport. Everything else looks fine. But we can't know before we test it anyway.

We tested Twins on PTB and they were simply overpowered. There was no way BHVR would allow them come to live.

I think it will probably be toned back but until the PTB actually happens it will be hard to tell.

I really dislike how BHVR started to buff anything and everything, in my opinion it is okay that some perks are little more than memes and not all killers are comp ready.

There are just too many perks/addons/killers in the game, so making everything strong will result in all kinds of unexpected metas that will create more balancing nightmares (no pun intended).

We don't know and should not speculate until this becomes live. If it is too much it will be toned down.

The Freddy rework looks very good and gives me hope for other languishing and legacy Killers, it alongside the Myers, Sadako, and Pig updates are proof that M1s can be updated and made to work even with simple kits for the modern DBD experience. "But Pinhead is too finicky" and "but Ghostface is simple and always doomed to weakness" is no longer an excuse and I look forward to seeing what will happen next, especially for Killers like Legion that badly need an overhaul.

The only thing I'm mad about with the Twins rework getting scrapped is that it didn't seem very well thought out. It was a mix of a numbers change and other strange decisions which either made the killer overpowered, or didn't make any sense. Like the Hillbilly rework with the overheating chainsaw 🙄, it felt rushed and half-cocked.

If the Freddy rework ends up with him being strong, it's a given that survivors are gonna complain. It's very unlikely that he'll be anywhere near the strength of scrapped rework Twins, but they'll complain nonetheless because it sounds like he'll have actual gameplay against them at loops. There's people right now who would probably DC against Freddy because, "He's an overpowered killer." We just have to hope the devs listen to rational minds about this topic, and not more of that.

I was gonna say something about the people harping on the Twins point you made (a bad example, but an example nonetheless), but they seem to have addressed it and moved on, rather than shifting the conversation. I'm proud of them.

The 2 big questions I have are: -

• Is microsleep immunity after clock/hook a thing still?
• Does the killer instinct on survivors healing in the dream mean asleep survivors doing healing action, asleep survivors being healed, or both?

The answer to those questions is gonna be pretty important for this TP to survivor mechanic.

The other minor question I have is do skillcheck misses still pull you out of the dream? Cause that now seems to be weird with the widely available clocks, and I've always hated the fact that RNG determines if Freddy's power does things or not in both versions, and thematically I don't like the bouncing in and out of the dream concept via skillchecks... you should be in the dream, or you should actively have to move to escape it, not sit at a gen looking to miss a SC that may or may not ever come.

Regardless I'm a little more positive myself for this rework. The main thing I always wanted from Freddy is ambiguity about when you're gonna fall into dream... to me being unclear whether you're about to fall asleep into the dream or not is the very essence of the fear from Freddy. It's something I felt is lacking in both versions of Freddy... OG Freddy you get pulled into the dream when Freddy wants you by drive by yoinking you (its better but still predictable), and old Freddy is literally a standard set timer that you can see at all times…

With these new sleep progress powers where Freddy can get a boost suddenly, it would be harder to predict exactly when you'll fall into the dream, and thats pretty cool... but of course if you can still see the timer then its not gonna achieve that... 😒😒😒😒😒

Let's see how it plays out. Can't survivors just choose not to heal if they are in the Dream World? It doesn't seem like that strong of a buff against smarter survivors.

Well cause there's only one box and it's tp to object for pinhead what if multiple Survs heal for Freddy how will it choose?

I really really hope there is a chance of getting his best part of the current kit back: Faking Teleports.
Without, his most unique Mindgame would be dead. At least let uns fake teleport to gens but not to healing survivors. This would allow us to not encounter the situation of starting a Channeling and survivors dancing in front of us while we cannot cancel. Class-Photo wasnt popular for that reason.

Depends how long the Channeling takes place. If we Freddies can teleport as fast as Sadako for example (instant at the new location with an animation) you dont have the helpless-situation locked inside a Channeling-Animation at the place you currently are.

Then have the canceled teleport trigger the full cooldown timer.

As a survivor, it’s super obnoxious when I’m repairing a generator, and it is bubbling every few seconds, because a Freddy player thinks it’s cool to spam 99% teleports.

SO I get to test it on the PTB but no amount of changes stop the tunneling, camping, and slugging. I get that making changes to evolve the game but no matter what perks changes are introduced there is a non chase epidemic of killers and no amount of changes to a killer or perk will change that.

Also the PTB hasn't really been taken seriously since Venca, they end up nerfing everything after it goes live because it's just a small percentage of players and the majority of players don't play like that on certain regions.

Just like everything in this game it needs to have elements on surv and killer side that are enjoyable. Skull Merchant is a good example of this. She was never op or even really considered strong, but received nerf after nerf. A killer has to be enjoyable to play into for them to be strong. That's why people play blight games and DC nurse games (I know people dc blight games, but broadly speaking.) Generally people can deal with blights strength because there are elements to looping him that are fun. I think the Freddy rework is in the same boat. If it is going to be this boring to play into, survs are going to dc/complain until the killer is either weak or fun to play into.

Since this is the part everyone either forgets or conveniently leaves out:

The current state of SM was never intended to be permanent. They said several times, including before any recent changes at all, that they're reworking her. Which is the correct, long term solution.

Unfortunately that amount of effort isn't something they can just push forward in a week and will take Dev and creative team time.