Why are there so many hooks on maps?

Outside of very rare bugs, I’ve never seen two hooks close enough that the killer could effectively camp both of them at once. Hook spawns are subject to RNG and while they could be better, they’re fine as is.

If the killer carried someone halfway across the map to the basement, that has 0 to do with hook placement.

I think if I am not mistaken there is an average of 12 hooks per map. No offerings of course.

Hook spawns are ridiculous more often than not, especially that some maps have fixed locations. You perfectly sabo a hook, wait until the last second to do it and the killer is still able to reach 4 different hooks. They should adjust hook spawns since they’ve added the finisher mori and made hooks respawn.

This should be true especially since sabo is so strong now.

I get this, but consider two thing: There were situations where a single sabo can create a hook deadzone before the hook respawn change, and the easier it is to successfully sabo, the less killers are going to feel incentivized to risk going for hooks when there is a good chance they will be contested and punished for doing so.

The hook respawn change only affects hooks where survivors were killed. Its impact was not changed regarding scenarios where nobody has died within that area specifically. The reason this is an important distinction is because you can't say "well because of y, you should have x!" if the two are not related. Securing a hook was not directly made any easier in any situation (except when someone has already died in that area) with that specific change. Changes to hook generation/spacing forumlas? Sure, that would apply, but not the hook respawn change. Spacing and generation rules are a different beast, just like they are with tiles and other resources.

As for the strength of sabo, that will always be an issue with sabo as a mechanic. Sabo is one of those paradigms that unfortunately will never be as strong solo as it is in SWF, so it will often be too strong, too weak, or both simultaneously. If you make it too strong, killers will just refuse to go for hooks and quadruple down on the slug meta that has been forming and growing. If you make it too weak, as a mechanic it becomes considerably less impactful to near uselessness. If you try to address both, you just make it bad for both sides (strong for swf, weak for solo, basically everybody loses except swf in that case.) Until they can come up with a way of completely retooling sabo (like they did with the old 99% removal change) into something that tightens the gap between swf and solo viability, they're not really going to be able to make it worth doing for solo while not being oppressive for swfs. And no, making it as good for solo as it currently is for swf is not going to give you the results you want/expect.

"Dude, I'm busting my head off, trying to down a good survivor player, then I'm busting my head off trying to avoid flashlight\cracker\pallet stun while I pick up, and now you want me to bust my head of trying to reach for a hook? I will need to play this game with a towel on my shoulders, because of all the constant sweating."

Deadzones Survivors abuse where killers could never reach a hook and just camp that area to be downed at. That's why even devs had to just make hooks respawn

Because too many people liked to abuse unhookable spots and sabo-wiggle builds on maps that would always guarantee a Killer could never hook them, to the point it was actually affecting the quality of the game and genuinely unfun, forcing Killers to slug in situations they probably didn't even want to in the first place. You think slugging is awful now? It was genuinely so so so much worse to be slugged in a corner for four minutes until bleedout because the killer got a bad map and had no hooks nearby, so they had no choice but to bleed you. This was unfun for both sides, the Killer had to wait for you to bleed and Survivors had to wait to bleed out doing nothing. It was abusable, it hurt weaker Killers for no good reason over stronger ones, it was cheap, it was anti-fun, and it wasn't in the spirit of the game.

It was literally as unfun as being slugged for the 4k or a four man slug at five gens is right now. Yes, really. That annoying. I had a match during the peak of this meta on pre-rework Haddonfield as my main Dredge before it got its update. No lockers, no power, and horrendous hook spawns. And I got a group like this. I got 1k and had an incredibly, incredibly miserable match, because I couldn't properly use my power or do anything but proxy the hook, because there was nowhere else to hook ANYONE, leaving the sabo person free to come in, sabo my only hooks, force me to slug in a corner, counter with Exponential, and all while gens were being unprotected with no means for me to do anything about it. I had no ability to pressure and it was just. Not. Fun.

And this scenario happened over, and over, and over, and over again with any Killer lacking mobility or with conditional mobility, like Dredge, Sadako, Trapper, Ghostface, Myers, Legion, etc. The only play in these situations for these Killers was to proxy camp, slug, and pray. And that just really sucked for everyone except the trolls who liked to abuse this sort of setup.

So BHVR fixed hook spawns, made some set ones, and made hooks respawn so this could never happen again. It seems to have mostly fixed the issue and taken a lot of the teeth out of the old sabo-wiggle petrified oak on Ormond bully strategy that ran rampant up until then. I certainly never see it anymore and when they do try it, they crumble very fast in a four man slug because it just isn't very helpful anymore. To compensate, sabotaging is faster with certain toolboxes and toolbox addons, in case you do want to sabo.

But the Killer is supposed to be able to counterplay what Survivors do, just as they're meant to be able to counterplay every Killer (I argue some Killers even need more obvious and easily understood counterplay). So that is why hooks were fixed this way. To add counterplay to annoying unfun strategies and to make sabo have back and forth like intended.

And I would much, MUCH rather perks like Boil Over and Sabotage were useless than go back to that. Because I hated being the SoloQ lumped in with turds abusing this just as much as I hated being the Killer subjected to this. It was. Not. Fun.

the RPD library has been gone for over a year now - possibly longer, maps have been made smaller, hooks are closer together than they ever were and now can never be broken permanently. Dead zones are nowhere near as much a problem as they used to be. Let’s base our arguments in the now - not problems that have largely been addressed in abundance in favour of killers already.

I never once mentioned reducing the amount of hooks on a map.

Then where were you going with your comments about map sizes and such? The RPD library situation was being discussed both because it was asked about, and it was a prime example of why there should always be at least 1-2 hooks available. The "now" is that killers are ok with hook distances and presence, while the OP was asking why they aren't less.

if you want to know where I am going, use your eyes and re read my initial comment as I mentioned my issue there.

Quick!! The recent hex buff was nerfed. Lets complain about hook numbers next.