I Feel Like Distortion Has Permanently Affected How People Perceive Aura Reading

Means it's not virtually deleted then does it? :)

Snark aside it's still practically the same stealth throughout the trial. Your just as easy to sneak around mid just like the end and beginning (which is where the distortion nerf is actually felt in our opinion).

I still consider pre nerf distortion to be one of the unhealthiest perks for the game. Enforced stealthing therefor I go back to hook because clearly you or your team doesn't want to be chased and want it to be a 3v1 asap because I'm not gonna spend 30 seconds at each generator trying to look around while others are being progressed.

Not that I disagree, but Nurse being only tempered by a particular perk, that not everyone will run, so you end up with the problem she smokes everyone not running Distortion and you lose anyway... is not a good reason to keep Distortion the way it was.

I haven't found many people who disagree that Nurse should be blinded while charging blinks and blinking, since once you have the muscle memory an aura is basically a guaranteed hit on Nurse. Being blinded would ensure she still has to play her unique mind games... which would he the healthiest state overall instead of basically making Distortion mandatory against her, while simultaneously making all other killers have no reason to run an aura perks due since Distortion renders it useless anyway (hello gen regression meta).

In my opinion, the Distortion change was the most annoying change ever made but also one of the best change the developers did. Many players said that with the Distortion nerf killers will get a terrible time because now players use different perks but I haven't notice it while SoloQ feels slightly better. Sure there are players who use Sole Survivor to keep their rat life but overall, players use better perks. The next step would be to rework selfish perks like Sole Survivor and Left Behind and turn them into healthy and good SoloQ perks.

The only aura perk that could be say is problematic is No Where To Hide (needs to be based around the gen and not around the killer) but every other aura perk is healthy for the game. Some players just hate aura reading. They don't really have an objective reason for it - it's just a personal think. They blame perks like BBQ and FTTE which are really healthy perks for the game because they encourage the killer to hook and go for different survivors. I saw also players complain about LP even though this perk only gives you value at the start and the start is the strongest moment for survivors - every pallet is up and it is up to them to go to a safe place when the killer comes close to them. Aura perks just tell you where they are but don't down survivors for you and there are plenty of counters to them.

Also, Distortion in its current state isnt that bad either. While it is weaker than it was before, you are still able to leverage it to take chases based on your own terms as opposed to whenever the Killer feels like it. The token system does require you to take chase to gain tokens, which isnt the best for new players, but experienced players can leverage it much easier.

It is the same with Adrenaline and MFT. After their nerfs, many people called them bad even though these perks are still good - just no longer insane free and strong. MFT pairs really well with DH, OTR, or a Stiptic, is strong against Legion, Deathslinger, and Houndmaster while can come handy in slugging situations. Adrenaline is still useful to greed a generator and to extend a chase by a lot in the endgame which is often the weakest moment for survivors. Distortion is still good to prevent an early chase due to LP when you have Deli and can protect you later in the game.

While it let weaker Survivors hide and as opposed to being tunneled or repeatedly hooked

I've never understood this statement. Distortion does not protect you from tunnling. DS, OTR, Blood Rush, Babysitter, BT can protect you but not Distortion. If the killer wants to tunnel, they will tunnel and also never use aura reading perks. If you tunnel, you use genslowdown to get a fast 3v1 situation with more than 3gens. This situation is only possible with gen slowdown - PainRes and GE for the first hook, then go to a nearby gen and kick it with Pop. Then come back to the hook and wait. I know this is not your statement, but still, I never understood it.

If the devs wanted to introduce the eyeball notification from 2v8 to the main game, the one which tells you when the killer can see your aura, I'd be for that as long as the "Get rid of killer aura reading, full stop!" complaints come to an end. Because you can't justify killer aura being weaker or more restrictive than it is now. I just don't understand why survivors become completely incapacitated in the face of simply being seen. 🤷‍♀️ What do you do when that happens in other games, exactly?

The main reason why the developers added the eyeball notification in 2v8 is because 2v8 is very chaotic and the developers wanted an easier time for the players. In theory and praxis you don't need it because you know when your aura gets revealed. But I highly doubt players will stop complaining about aura reading if they add this feature into the normal 1v4. I had players who complained about FTTE even though this perk let's you know when your aura gets revealed and it also tells you it is in play due to Obsession switch, screaming, exposing, and notification.

This is not true. Distortion is still a good perk and now healthy for both sides. On top of that, we also have many other stealth perks such as Lucky Break, Iron Will, Bite The Bullet, and Lucky Star. Stealth is neither bad nor deleted from the game. People just are bad at stealth and want it rather basekit than building with it. If you run one of these different stealth perks, many killers will hit off guard because they are not familiar with them. Same goes for survivors when the killer uses different perks instead of Pop, PainRes, or GE. This is also something I noticed during Chaos Shuffle, players get hit off guard by perks they are not familiar with while feeling lost when they don't have their typical perks like WoO. I don't want to say it's a bad thing but rather players need to go out of their comfort zone and test things out because you see the true value of some things no in the text but in the game.

I get about as much use from Distortion as I ever did, mainly because it still gives me a heads up as to what aura perks the killer is running. Blocking the reading is nice, but knowing when you're being seen is almost as useful, at least to me. I'm not bothered by the nerf.

But part of the reason (the biggest part) for why people are viewing aura reading differently is that there is undeniably a ton more of it than there used to be. When I started playing killer years ago, there were a couple of aura reading perks that you'd see with any frequency, and the most popular one (BBQ) was easily counterable (and it still is) because you know when it would proc and could just jump in a locker.

Now though? There are 6-8 strong aura reading perks to choose from, and more middling ones. Seeing a killer running 3-4 aura perks in the past was simply not a thing. Now it's not uncommon. Anyone who runs/ran distortion consistently can tell you that you might have lost all your tokens in the first 30 seconds of a match. You could earn new ones easily enough, but it illustrates just how common aura reading has become.

Not to mention we're seeing a wave of newer killer players who can barely function without constant aura reading.

It's not just that people see aura reading as being different, it is different. And much more prevalent.

Distortion isn't bad Off The Record is just too good. The only thing that should change with Distortion is specifically killers that can avoid building up chase charges which is mostly just stealth killers such as Wraith and then Nurse who just ends up chasing you for a few seconds. Maybe Distortion could get an additional change that if you are being physically looked at similar to old Spine Chill it builds up charges as well. It would solve a lot of issues the perk has with hit and run and killers who somehow do not activate chase. For the majority of the roster the perk works great - it's specifically a few killers who commonly use aura reading that skip chase all together but still maintain LoS. Huntress, Nurse, Wraith are some small examples I'd give but I genuinely cannot think of another killer outside of those three who are really problematic with aura reading.

And again - Perk itself is good especially now that it forces engagement. It's just a few killers ignoring its mechanics which shouldn't be a thing.

A lot of arguments about when aura reading is and isn't an issue are fair but I feel that's a different topic all together.

It's always like this, when something truly broken exists in the game for a long time.
Players knew how to heal > CoH introduced > CoH nerfed > OMG healing was destroyed into the ground absolutely destroyed no way to play like this!!!!!
Players could define aura perk and choose how to deal with this information > Distortion buffed > Distorion nerfed > OMG aura perks are so unfair there is no way to avoid them!!!!!!!
Players who was good without old DH were in the same place after its nerf, but remember what happened after first nerf? For two month majority of the players learned how to loop. 1k, 3k, 5k survivors, all learned the game all over again. And then picked up DH again, when understood, that it's still one of the best perks.
Kinda same you can say about killers after first Pop and Pain Res nerf, but honestly not so much changed. I mean, there is no better option to slowdown the game anyway.
I swear, if only MFT had lasted longer than 6 months, we probably could see forum full of complains that killers are too fast.

It sounds like you played in a way where the Survivors thought it was worthwhile to make the game long and miserable for you. Maybe reevaluate how you play.

I was replying to a comment talking about people complaining about BBQ and how people used to counter it instead of complaining. I wasn't talking about any other Perks.

All i got to say is- get better at looping. I read in multiple streamers' chats that the ones who talk about aura reading, or complaining in general are just bad at chase. The only ways to get better are watching someone being chased, or to be chased yourself. Its a core aspect of the game. You cant avoid being chased forever. The killer should find you. Thats the reason why distortion got nerfed in the first place because you could hide all match and gain stacks with the old iteration.

SStealth Also works if thr survivors know you are targeting one in particular (not even necessarily tunneling)

Stealth is technically still superior to looping as stealth uses 0 resources and can be done infinitely if the killer doesn't give it up. Why make noise and loop when you can just gen tap and walk away repeatedly, for example. That way the killer thinks it's their own great idea

Your argument seems contradictory. On one hand, you say the perk was beneficial for new players because they often get tunneled or hooked, but then you claim that the nerf hasn't ruined the perk as it just made it chase-based.

So, what exactly happens when someone is being tunneled? What I dislike about the entire Dead by Daylight community is that whenever someone points out the flaws in making the learning curve so steep for survivors, the response is always to watch streamers. I hope those streamers are paying you for all that promotion because they certainly aren't teaching anything.

I almost never use more than 1 info perk. Same with killers in my games, except some Huntress. But I will take full aura build over slowdowns in any day, when I play survivors, because it's free win, if all survivors don't afraid of chase. Next question?

Old Distortion basically full-countered entire aura reading builds unless you were a stealth killer or a killer with a small terror radius that made recharging the perk more difficult. It was a one-size-fits-all counter to dozens of perks and addons and was generally able to recharge enough tokens to last all game and never run out most of the time. People got used to being able to hard counter aura reading with just 1 perk that never should've been as effective as it was, which I guess as you mentioned is why aura reading gets perceived differently now.

Even after Distortion's nerf, most aura reading is still completely fine, just as it was prior to Distortion getting buffed into its previous state. There are a few exceptions (I think mainly Nowhere to Hide is a bit overtuned along with a few addons, Rat Poison being one of them until its recent nerf, Black Incense and Cigar Box are also ridiculous), and Nurse in general comes into the conversation too here (aura reading in chase is far too powerful on her, but that's a problem with Nurse as a killer and not the aura reading perks themselves).

Also, you're right - while Distortion is nowhere near as strong as it was before, it's still a decent perk. It just requires you to interact with the killer now in order to continue using it and that's the best change it could've received imo.

 I personally don't see an issue with Lightborn as a perk, but if people are arguing that "one perk shouldn't counter an entire class of perks, items, and abilities" like this, then Lightborn also has to be on the list for consistency.

I have mentioned this line of thinking and it usually gets hit with 'Killers are the 1 in 1v4. Their perks should be like that.'

Its low IQ types of thinking but it's what I've ran into. How would you respond to that so I can include it in my own thoughts?

Ty!