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I Feel Like Distortion Has Permanently Affected How People Perceive Aura Reading
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By reminding them that Distortion doesn't hard counter any aura perks at all.
Four distortions do. One person not having their aura read 24/7 doesn't mean you're getting zero value from your aura reading perks.
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Got a devils advocate argument if you want something different.
Lightborn stops players from trying to/easily bullying the killer via repeat blinds and progressing the game (in a "timely" manner). When a killer downs someone in the open against a squad of lights, the killer has to chase off (or often enough down) whoever else is nearby. Without lightborn newer killers who are miss matched for whatever reason they can't effectively get hooks while experienced killers have to be slugging (and this time it would be a fair reason) via whack-a-mole in this scenario. Distortion does not do a job like this before or after to our knowledge.
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While I don't think Lightborn really falls into the exact same category as it's a lot more niche/specific in what it does (countering blinds is a lot more specialized than countering all aura-reading) you are correct it is a full-counter and I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to changing it as long as it still served a purpose and was a useful perk. Despite its hard counter nature, I don't actually think Lightborn is a very good perk right now overall - getting survivors to waste their time going for flashlights is time they're not spending on generators, and the instant they see you have Lightborn they will just stop trying to blind you. Personally I never run it, I don't feel the need to use a perk to counter flashlight saves when they generally have plenty of counterplay already.
I know a few people use Lightborn because the screen effect when you get blinded is an accessibility issue for some, so before they change Lightborn they'd need to do something about that first, but other than that I wouldn't be opposed.
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I appreciate you prefacing the advocate bit. Little things like that make things much easier to digest when only in text. :)
Without lightborn newer killers who are miss matched for whatever reason they can't effectively get hooks while experienced killers have to be slugging (and this time it would be a fair reason) via whack-a-mole in this scenario.
To be fair, valid point, but not one I'm really going to add much to. This is a BHVR problem that would need to be solved, not mechanical. New players are a variable I don't think fits with advocating for or against a perk. This may very well be the wrong way lol, but how I see it.
Lightborn stops players from trying to/easily bullying the killer via repeat blinds and progressing the game (in a "timely" manner).I'd first say its not bullying to defend yourself with a flashlight or otherwise. They are trying to kill you. Bullying, for as easy as its thrown around, is still a survivor off gens, and that's the gospel of value for killers. At least for me it is, Im 99% solo'Q. Swfs? Yeah, different game. So there's that.
But, that said, if I were to do the same for Distortion, I could. For newer players, Distortion stops players from trying to easily/tunneling newer players with aura perks. If a survivor wants to make a sabo/flash light/bang play, Distortion would assist with this if the killer had aura reads.
I feel Distortion absolutely does its job in the same fashion as Lightborn, only with drawbacks attached. Now, the drawbacks are a bit too much imo.
When a killer downs someone in the open against a squad of lights, the killer has to chase off (or often enough down) whoever else is nearby.
Again, the more there to chase away, the more off gens. In these scenario's, slugging is the correct play imo.
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While I don't think Lightborn really falls into the exact same category as it's a lot more niche/specific in what it does (countering blinds is a lot more specialized than countering all aura-reading) you are correct it is a full-counter and I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to changing it as long as it still served a purpose and was a useful perk.
I read this a few times to make sure I understood, and have to ask to discuss "While I don't think Lightborn really falls into the exact same category as it's a lot more niche/specific in what it does (countering blinds is a lot more specialized than countering all aura-reading)", but to be the most precise, everything in the parenthesis.
Countering blinds is a lot more specialized than countering all aura-reading.
You are going to have to explain this one because I cannot grasp any logic in this assertion.
Lightborn counters all blinding effects. There are multiple sources of blinds for survivors to apply to the killer.
Old Distortion countered all Aura effects. There are multiple sources of aura reading for killers to apply to survivors.
We can continue with the rest if you'd like, but I really need to understand your perspective before taking that leap lol. ty!
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Np, this is mostly a thought and to solve 2 of our boredom.
To be fair, valid point, but not one I'm really going to add much to.
We mostly put this here due to sympathy for our friends. They don't play killer (or in general play) as often as the likes of us and swear by lightborn to not have to worry about blind squads. We do feel that people should learn to be better and we admit to a little bias on behalf of our friends, but it's undeniably a life saver for them so we'd like to keep eyes out.
I'd first say its not bullying to defend yourself with a flashlight or otherwise.
We're not talking about regular blind save squads to be fair. We're talking the survivor group who are genuinely just trying to irritate the killer as much as possible. They care not about escape, just to piss off the killer. True they're likely to eventually die against any competent killer but the frustration and time gone is felt.
As for the distortion comparison, there are other perks that help with tunneling better (a direct upgrade for this is off the record which both hides aura and other things with a layer of endurance) while only 1 perk for blinds.
We'd agree that they do similar jobs if we weren't playing advocate but we also don't feel the drawbacks are too much (sans starting with only one token).
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Sorry, I didn't explain this as well as I could've. What I meant was, Lightborn is a hard counter but only against a smaller number of things compared to Distortion; Lightborn is only relevant against 1 item and a small handful of related perks, those being Flashbang, Residual Manifest, and Champion of Light (at least the hindered component). Technically Blast Mine too, but you still get stunned, so it's not really a full counter against that.
But like I said, as long as the perk is useful, I'm not opposed to making it work differently because I realize how that can be unfun to play against.
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I think you may falsely be assuming I have malice for this perk. I do not. I used it a lot, it helped me.
But even I can realize, it was problematic. I saw other Survs on my team with this hide all round and do nothing helpful. I experienced it as Killer to the point I ceased to use any Aura read, it did not feel good.When Survivors hide all round and refuse to engage, it is frustrating and unfun for Killer. That's why it had to change despite it being helpful for new players. It countered too many things; no one perk should ever counter some 150+ things the other side has. Would it be OK if a Killer perk countered every gen perk Survs had 100% of the time? Of course not.
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Is that just semantics for “destroyed?” It's especially negated by all the killer aura perks. Any one or two stacks you gain from jumping in front of the killer with an "ooga booga" or "neener neener" completely negates the perk's purpose and function.
Killer mains protested to remove the perk because they wanted to boost the effectiveness of Friends Till the End. The big complaint after Chucky's release was how much Chucky users hated distortion.
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You can be genrushed in four minutes and down to one gen in less than five. One bad chase in early game usually determines the outcome of the match. Ive had three gens pop back to back after I just got done with my first chase. Imo, having aura reading perks cuts the downtime of finding survs. Play smarter, not harder.
Its not laziness. Its the simple fact that distortion users cant last 30 secs in chase to recharge stacks. Thus, why i said to get better at looping. I mean thats what all the crying was about right? Just gotta last longer in chase to get your stacks so you can hide. Am i right?
Old distortion was lazy cause you never had to be chased or even interact with the killer. You just had to stay within their terror radius, and you essentially hide forever. Imo, poor game design... rewarding hiding by hiding... cant progress the game if the survs are hiding. Cant progress the gens if all the distortion users are hiding in corners waiting for their teammates to die.
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Ah you just gave yourself away 1 bad chase, that means you should have maybe drop whoever your chasing asap or if they taking you to strong loop areas do not go there and hope there is a weaker person in chase. No matter what you say aura reading is lazy and crutch for killers just like how distortion is for survivors. Chaos shuffle confirms to me this that whenever they have 0 aura reading even with a strong killer they struggle because they cant be 24 hour peeping tom or jane.
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