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Killer behaviour is appalling during events
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What's wrong with playing to win and being sweaty?
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If you're breaking or exploiting things in a game then it's clear it's way more about you and you winning. No reason you just can't play a game as normal, hone your skills, and still win.
The problem isn't simply wanting to win, it's how you go about it. If I go in with the attitude that only MY experience matters when there's other people involved, it's pretty selfish. At that point I'd just play a single player game or play with bots if I want to not be mindful of others. Put yourself in others' shoes once in a while.8 -
I agree that exploits are trash but this thread isn't about exploits though, is it.
And what does "normal" even mean here? That's entirely subjective and really only sounds like "please play the way I want".
The roles can be reversed here too. So the "selfish" argument hardly tracks here. We are all selfish, including you. You want others to play differently for selfish reasons. It's a video game, if I keep you on the ground for two minutes you can hardly take it personal.
I really wish I could understand the constant whining and complaining but I just can't.
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Ah there it is the "you're scummy for doing X". No it is not scummy to try and win in a PVP game. I also don't see the problem with "sacrificing your build to run DS and unbreakable"…. Those are very strong perks on their own and still leave you with 2 slots left. You have WAY more build diversity as survivor than you do killer. Also tunneling, slugging, camping etc are ALL core gameplay of DBD according to the devs themselves as they are not reportable options. If they werent you would have anti slug, tunnel and camp perks. Also if you throw core gameplay out the window and still win… is that not a survivor skill issue?
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Kate has icepicks…
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Tunneling/slugging are exploits. They ignore the core aspects of the game and take no skill to do. Like I said in another reply, tunnel/slugging/camping can be done without perks. While survivors then require perks to counter it or be at the mercy of someone that won't let them play. And by "normal" I was referring to core gameplay elements/mechanics.
And I'm selfish?? That's funny. Remind me to never play any game with you either. You sound insufferable if you can't even be mindful of a shared activity that involves other people.5 -
>Tunneling/slugging are exploits.
Alright buddy, that's where I stopped reading. Please stop replying to my posts, block me or whatever you need but I'm done with this trolling here. And then you want to insult me on top of that. Can we get a moderator in here?
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I never said it was scummy to want to win a game. I said that exploiting/breaking the game is scummy. And it shows you're willing to do anything to win, including making the game miserable for others just for your own enjoyment. The type of attitude that makes no one want to play with you.
"It leaves you with 2 slots left" Do you hear yourself? No one, NO ONE should be forced to have to slap things on just to deal with the possibility of someone tunneling/slugging. That's the whole point of a CUSTOM build.
Just like I told the other person, put yourself in others shoes once in a while. It'll do you some good.5 -
Tunnelling, slugging, and camping are reasons why a lot of people don't want to play survivor. With the exception of slugging, those are all low-skill strategies that pay off most of the time and make the game feel pointless for the players being targeted. Slugging a whole team is generally not viable against talented players except with high mobility killers, hence the exception there. But even then, slugging for 4k falls into that category of low-skill strategies that pay off well.
We see these things complained about a lot while not seeing similar complaints about survivor behaviors as much because survivors need a somewhat reasonable skill level to even try to bully the killer. And even then, bully squads tend to lose matches since they don't do enough gens.
That's the issue here though: there are things that both sides can do to try to make their opponent unable to play the game as they should expect to play. The killer just has a very easy time doing it unless they pick the wrong target to tunnel. And I fully understand the challenges faced too; if my first chase goes poorly, I might struggle pretty hard in the rest of the match. But that's because of my performance vs the survivor when we're both playing the game as we expect to do. If I then proceed to tunnel someone out because I can't win otherwise, that's just me saying "me winning is more important than you getting to play the game."
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Its not exploiting or breaking the game to win in ways you don't agree with. Also what you said is literally calling it scummy to win the game in a way you don't agree with. Also apply that perk logic to killers… If I don't want the game to end in 5 minutes I basically require slowdown on a majority of the case.
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DBD is a pvp game. Demanding your opponent not try their hardest to win is absurd.
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"Slugging is generally not viable against talented players except with high mobility killers" Well yes. Yes not for the reasons you think. Talented players will win regardless because lower tiers are that for a reason, they are weaker. Also you call slugging and tunneling low skill strategies when survivors can have a build to have 4 health states off hook. All of those require nothing to earn them so is that also low skill? Most of the time tunneling and slugging working is a matter of survivors allowing it to work.
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Either these people are hardcore trolling or straight up do not want to play the game. I've heard Civ 5 is a nice game.
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Exploits require a bug to be exploited. Tunneling and slugging is normal gameplay. Very cheesy gameplay.
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Wow. Okay?
I guess I'm trolling because I want people to be able to have fun and be more mindful of others in a shared activity?? 😂6 -
It's both sides lmao first chaos shuffle game I had a Eyrie offering with 4 flashlights and now I just got a game where I didn't tunnel and camp but got tbagged at the exit gates why is it always "no its only killers survivors can do no wrong" why always make it us vs them?
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It is nice to see people defending this are only getting like 3-4 upvotes while people saying it's a crap way of playing during a casual event mode are getting 30+ upvotes. Like you guys are the minority and I wish BHVR would do something about it. I'm only doing this event to try and get the charms and banners, then after that I'm done playing it. Sweaty and troll killers just drain the fun from playing this mode.
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So you’d have no problem going up against a 4 man SWF who send you to Eyrie and bring 4 BNPs every match you played?
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Tunneling only wins the match for the killer when you target the right survivor. But it's extremely rare for a survivor to be able to last an entire match when a killer is tunneling them; it's practically a guaranteed kill. The reason it's a low-skill strategy is that tunneling to enable a win (e.g. a 3k or 4k) requires picking a survivor who's done poorly in chase and then eliminating them, generally straight off of the unhook when they haven't been healed and the killer knows almost exactly where to find them. They do not get to play the game anymore once that happens, and instead only get to be chased from a weakened state and then get forcibly eliminated without being able to participate in normal gameplay.
As far as survivors having four health states, that's generally not true. I guess you mean something like running DH and DS? But DH can be played around by the killer and takes some skill to time well or play by the survivor. DS doesn't take much skill, no argument there. But those are perks. Tunneling, camping, and slugging for 4k are all basekit for every killer. Also, people running DS and DH together won't make the killer unable to participate in the game. For a talented survivor, DS can extend the chase for a while as long as they can get to a new good loop in time, but the killer still gets to chase survivors and defend gens. There's a balance issue if DS is extending chase too long too often, and if that's the case, it should be addressed. But unlike with DS, tunneling and camping are basekit abilities for every killer that prevent the targeted survivor from doing anything other than getting chased and eliminated.
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"no its only killers survivors can do no wrong"
Because I’m legitimately not seeing this behaviour from survivors at a scale worth mentioning. If you are then I’m sorry for you and you’re welcome to make your own thread about it but that’s not what I’m encountering 🤷♂️
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You legitimately don't see this behaviour from survivors at a scale worth mentioning? We must be playing different games my last 2 straight games have had survivors bming but sure
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You just straight up tell lies and make stuff up as you go.
I have yet to see you make a point beyond "Please play the way I want it". When will you start playing the way I want it?
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Absolutely not. Gonna wipe the floor with them and then do it again.
In fact I would prefer it to the absolute snoozefest that regular MMR is. I 4k on perkless/addonless huntress while listening to music.
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I’d use a map cancelling offering and bring gen slowdown perks, while switching to a higher tier killer.
Also I have pretty serious doubts anyone is going against pure slugging builds “every match they played.”
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No not at all. Like I said, I’m sorry you’re experiencing that but neither myself nor the group of people I play DbD with encounter this with any regularity.
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4 health states off hook, first right off hook, 2nd from OTR, 3rd from DS, 4th from DH. Sure it only works once but once is all you need. And a majority of killer powers are very easy to DH and only gets weaker against M1s which should already be a free 2 out at the very least. Like if everyone just does gens the 2 outs are incredibly easy to get against the majority of the roster.
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You didn’t answer the question.
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My friend and I literally talk about this everyday lol. Also it's why I did like evil dead the game till it die out fast fighting with bats and what not was fun.
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lmao ok
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But that won't happen if you don't tunnel. Basekit BT only gets used if you're hard tunneling or they do something dumb. Off the Record is designed to keep people from tunneling and encourage going after other survivors. Also, all of those are perks, meaning that if a survivor brought them, they might only have Bond or Flashbang or sometbing left. These aren't a similar scenario to tunneling or camping or slugging for 4k. They don't keep the killer from chasing survivors. With the exception of DH, they just keep a survivor from getting tunneled, and this all requires using up multiple perk slots to do it.
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Yeah but for survivors the best thing is the killer not tunneling. Going for other survivors with no hook stats is just inefficient unless they just hand them to you.
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This game is garbage, and the developers only care about killers. I honestly don't see much reason to type more or care because the developers don't care about their own game so why should I? I only hop on for events and tomes, the game is not worth playing otherwise.
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Of course it is. If you tunnel someone out early the rest of the survivors have essentially no chance to finish all the gens because even if you don't tunnel another survivor, once you hook one more person, they'll have one person on hook, one person going for saves and healing, and another getting chased.
And that's a basekit ability of every killer. And all it requires is to tunnel out the first person you find who you think won't last long in chase. And when it's done, that player will have been unable to play the game other than to be chased the whole game, most of it in an inured state, and the other players will be unable to do the gens. How is it okay to make someone unable to play the game, and as a result render their entire team unable to win?
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Again straight up lies and made up stories.
>If you tunnel someone out early the rest of the survivors have essentially no chance to finish all the gens
Are you strictly talking about yourself here? I do not understand. The amount of games I won while at 3 or 2 survivors left is not neglect-able, and those games are often even more entertaining than anything else.
Watch him come out with the "low mmr" argument.
Why are you making this stuff up. What's with this community and making up stories?
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Making up stories? If you look at any stats, Dead by Daylight is a one-sided game. You'll win almost every game you play if you're any good at killer. The game is awful and only worth touching when there's an event or tome because it's a terrible game at its core. The game was far healthier around 2021-2022 for solo queue.
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Survivors no longer have “Gen rush” tool boxes and they can’t choose their perks in Chaos Shuffle. The perks I’ve gotten as survivor in this game mode have been largely awful and as for Gen perks, the only ones I’ve seen personally are Corrective Action and Technician.
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I feel like this is a flase flag situation. Looking at the screenshots it looks like this was done in a custom game. This is not as easy as it looks to acomplish and if it DOES happen then that means yall messed up and were all at the same place.
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I don't think the game is terrible at it's core. The coding is just a mess and probably irredeemable at this point but the base game is neat and unique. I enjoy playing both sides and I have done so for years now. But the story that BHVR only cares about Killers is plain made up.
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Do y'all ever think it's not just a case of confirmation bias? That a few exceptionally bad experiences has brought you to think "Killer always play evil in events. They simply get on to make survivors suffer."? This is ridiculous to see, every time.
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This. With a heavy dose of content creator brainwashing and echo chamber CJ.
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What about the screenshots would possibly give you that impression?
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Wouldn’t call it confirmation bias when it was all 3/3 survivor games I played that day. And judging by how many people are sharing similar experiences, I don’t think it’s that either.
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Ad populum fallacy.
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By the time you tunnel out a survivor 1-2 gens should be remaining. The first chase is always the easiest for survivor so they can basically run the entire map/main building to waste a boat load of time. And if you don't like that in an Asymm, a game built to be unfair, you can have games where you don't get to play much then an Asymm isn't for you. You're playing the simulation of being in a horror scenario and people do die fast.
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How do they only care about killers? Have you played as the role and gone against good survivors? You can't even do anything against them. Your problem is with mismatches, thus the MMR system.
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So you're saying it's totally alright to make one person unable to play the game in the expected way because that should be expected?
By that logic, we could justify bully squads because a group of survivors are stronger together and could punish the killer for trying to kill them. Obviously in a horror simulation, four people would work together to fight against the killer, not drop blocks of wood on their head and run circles around a table for a while.
The problem is that both of those playstyles try to prevent someone from participating in the game in the way they expect to play. We can't justify being rude to someone by saying 'it's an asymmetric game.'
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All four players have their names hidden? Really?
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What's this expected way people keep talking about?
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No, slugging nowadays is an indicator of game knowledge. They know that hooking is laughable, because all the base stuff and perks survivors get, and how killers basically get nothing if not lose momentum for hooking. It's always weird, to see people making killers out to be skilless when they're literally using strategy and smart plays.
What you're advocating for is the 1 (who's supposed to be the power role, and isn't) to play to lose against the 4. "It's a bad thing if the killer wins" is the narrative.
Again, just think of all killers have to lose by hooking. There could be DS, OTR, DH, Resurgence, pallet saves, blind saves, body blocks, 4% off hook. It's not worth it. So while there may be killers who slug survivors and take joy in it, others are doing it because it's all they can do. That's not them playing above their skill level, either. You're not supposed to be able to win against good survivors, even if you're really good as killer, because the gens are too quick and/or the chases take too long. You're prioritizing people's feelings over all of this practical stuff.
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Once again it's a pvp game. I don't have to be nice to you if my objective is to kill.
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