So, what you are saying is that all the nerfs to regression and slowdown perks, all the basekit mechanics that artificially restrict what killers can do, the +20 seconds to the total hook timer added for no apparent reason, all the second, third, and fourth chance perks that activate on hook, survivors weaponizing anti-tunnel perks, and all the things survivors can do to completely negate killer invested time like flashlight saves or hook sabotage made easier…

In short, all those things that BHVR has done in the last years that made it literally more rewarding and time viable for most killers in the roster to slug instead of hooking, while maintaining gen progression and min times intact, have nothing to do with more killers slugging and is all "rubbish"?

I think he said a couple more things in his 22 minutes video than that. But technically true, although a bit reductionist.

The main thing i agree with the video on is the fact they "nerf pop goes the weasel because getting a hook and kicking a gen is easy" not on all the killers. Who need it far more. And that anti tunnel perks are not meant to be a shield for your team. Everyone gets those games. A survivor gets unhooked and just waves OTR DS and Flashbang and others in your face when they aren't supposed to. These perks step in to give you a fighting chance against a true tunnel. Not go out of your way to be a annoyance to the killer who's actually playing fair. Whether they make the perks deactivate if you take a protection hit or when the killer hooks another survivor is good enough for me. Means the people trying to use them as a shield cannot do it anymore. I don't slug even with these problems running around because I do think slugging needs addressed (though they do jump to the first death hook in my mind since eventually when it gets to their death hook and I know the perks aren't active anymore, they are dying) But both could be addressed since both are problems.

The 3-gen 40 mins+ game with OP gen kick perks was clearly outrageous.

The gen kick META was very low skill in terms of macro and micro gameplay : just perma kick a 3-gen and survivor will lose eventually.

I don't see slugging as bad as this one, far from it. Plus the trials are much shorter on average compared to the 3-gen kick META.

I think most killers use it to avoid some lose-lose situations with flashbangs or pallets saves, and to gain time on the picking up/hook walking time.

Slugging : In order to work, you still have to be a good chaser as a killer. If you are not efficient in chase and survivors managed to do gens quick and pick survivor not too slowly, it can backfire pretty badly.

I think the number 1 problem is the lack of coordination in solo Q, because of the lack information about our teammates.

I suggest a nerf on the aura hiding of Knock Out.

If we use the exact same disingenuous logic as almost every recent thread on slugging (including this one) then the answer is "because WGLF got nerfed".

they "nerfed" it by making it trigger every time you pick someone up (with 30s CD) instead of requiring you to take a protection hit/save before picking someone up? (and then you need to repeat it to activate the perk again) 🤨

I mean, I can get behind saying that Deliverance, OTR and DS are strong, even tho I would say that at least the latter two are really overrated.

OTR - no grunts of pain, immune to aura reading, free endurance to eventually tank a hit for teammate or get into next safe tile before killer downs you. All this for full 80s. This perk literally even holds way too much power for the duration it has.

DS - completely obliterates M1 killers and hold significant power against almost every killer when survivors know things like where to force downs after unhook

But Babysitter, Reassurance, Resurgence, Second Wind and Shoulder the Burden? Aside from Resurgence, all of them just have in Common that Killers on the Forum were Doomposting when the Perks got introduced or buffed that they will make Killer unplayable. Yet I barely see those Perks in my games. If they would be so strong, they would be way more common.

Babysitter - brutal anti-tunnel which basically provides full stealth when you unhook a survivor that has OTR, but in general, 10% haste for 30s is literally nuts.

Reassurance - literally a free card that prevents tunneling by keeping survivor on hook more, counters camping as a whole and nullifies killer's hook pressure in general.

Second Wind - literally a syringe v2.0 for unhooked survivor, do i even need to explain this one?

Shoulder the Burden - arguably the #1 best survivor perk in the entire game that not only counters tunneling, but literally forces 12-hooking and has impact on any hooking order that isn't putting every survivor on fresh hook before going for next hook state.

The reason you barely see those perk in your matches is because average survivor lacks macro skill expression to understand importance of additional game aspects.

if you really think Resurgence isn't that much powerful, i don't know what to tell you.

And btw, balance decisions for strategies, perks, items addons and killers are not only based on pickrates, but also on general impact of those on match

That's not even why people slug. Are you that naïve? That's what survivors have over the killers, power, and why the killers resort to slugging to win. You're telling me that killers have more incentive to hook than to slug? With rebuffed DS, OTR that gives a minute+ invulnerability plus power creep on Iron Will, and third health state DH?

Because the majority, or the average, isn't straight correlated to high level play. High level killer is just awful. You have to do perfect chases and hope the survivors get crappy loops, or don't know how to run them. If not? Just settle for a draw at best. You think the killers whose survivors are just allowing hooks over and over need to slug? Of course not. They're blissfully ignorant of what high level is, even though they claim that's where they're at.

And again with this emotional language. Killers aren't slugging just to bleed people out and make them feel bad. They do it because survivors become untouchable once hooked. All the possible DSs, OTRs, DHs, Resurgences, We'll Make Its they'll have to deal with... It's not worth it. If survivors aren't running those perks, well then either they're not smart or the killers they go against are easy.

You are saying that survivors are "wasting time coming for a save" but ignore the fact that to get the save it takes far less time then it did for the killer to get the down, you are still in the mindset of "average solo queue games" where chases last 15 seconds. The average chase in high MMR games (not whatever BHVR calls high mmr, actual high mmr) is far longer than that.

You really should watch the video, it isn't about being in a "position of power" there are far more factors at play here.

Its not necessarily about every hook perk being strong, its just that the best survivor perks are all about being hooked, and even the worse ones still do something. Basically, take a look at all of the perks that help survivors when they are hooked or have to do with attempting to do a hook (by picking up the survivor):

Perk - Usage

• Babysitter - 1.25%
• Background Player - 4.26%
• Blood rush - 0.70%
• Boil Over - 3.31%
• Boon: Exponential - 1.90%
• Borrowed Time - 1.55%
• Breakdown - 0.94%
• Breakout - 2.17%
• Camaraderie - 0.58%
• Champion of Light - 1.34%
• Dead hard - 10.52%
• Decisive Strike - 9.14%
• Deliverance - 2.78%
• Desperate Measures - 1.30%
• Fast Track - 0.87%
• Flashbang - 6.04%
• Flip-Flop - 1.67%
• Kindred - 6.96%
• Off the Record - 6.85%
• Power Struggle - 1.17%
• Reassurance - 1.92%
• Residual Manifest - 0.93%
• Resurgence - 4.57%
• Saboteur - 1.98%
• Second Wind - 1.13%
• Shoulder the Burden - 1.83%
• Slippery Meat - 0.91%
• We'll Make it - 6.54%
• Wicked - 1.14%

Now, is every one of these perks a complete winner? No, but look at their usage stats

In total, if you add all that up, these have a total usage of 86.25%. Statistically this means that 86% of the time, all 4 survivors will have at least 1 of these perks.

And at higher levels, many of these perks are so meta that you see them every single game:

• Dead hard
• Decisive Strike
• Deliverance
• Flashbang
• Shoulder the Burden

Compare that to the anti-tunnel perks, and the only real good ones are unbreakable and we're gonna live forever.

Unbreakable works once, and is pretty comparable to Decisive Strike. But even that, its weaker than DS. DS stuns the killer giving you time to goto safetly, Unbreakable does not, you can use unbreakable and then immediately get downed 5 seconds later and there goes your perk, unless you stack it with other perks.

We're gonna live forever has a cooldown of 30 seconds, and the double pick up speed is pretty often irrelevant. Because if the survivor is recovering on the ground, they are probably going to be at 90-95% recovered anyway, so WGLF makes them pick them up in 1 second instead of 2 seconds, not much of a difference. And if the survivor is close by enough such that the time bonus of WGLF is good, then the survivor is nearby, and slugging is already the more effective strategy there.

The other thing is that anti-tunnel perks are generally good if you have 1, and even better if you stack them (where it makes sense). But the anti-slug perks are often not good by themselves and require you to stack them, making them even less likely to be a factor.

That's also just the perks, i didn't even mention the:

• Basekit BT
• Anti-Face Camp
• 4% unhooks
• the 70 second hook timer now
• The fact that all the killer hook perks have been nerfed and nerfed and nerfed over and over and over again
• Sabotage with toolboxes
• Flashlights
• There's no "anti-slug" item

And the argument of "just don't tunnel" is bad. Good players use these perks and abilities OFFENSIVELY by blocking doorways, or body blocking.

The amount of times i have had someone, who is fully healed, run across the map, to body block, then body block a second time with OTR is insane, wasting so much time, then you just give up and down them, and oh look, DS, and then you figure at this point nothing left, and then, oh look dead hard, and then you down them and oh look all 5 gens done.

Slugging is not easy against coordinated teams. WGLF, MFT and Boon: Exponential the latter perk completely shits on the slug meta. Slugging is as hard if not harder to do than simply hooking imo. The reason i do it because it's less stressful because you don't have to be paranoid about picking a survivor up, getting flashlight saves, pallets saves, it's only about chase and less macro.

Yeah, like that was all happening off of the killer's own abilities. The only way a killer held a 3-gen that long was if the survivors just didn't know how to push. The "gen kick meta" is brain rot term that villainizes the killer for doing their objective. You mean to tell me that the killer's going around kicking all these gens, in EXCHANGE for pressure on the survivors in chase, because he has to kick the gen instead of going straight to chase, right, and the survivors still lose to him? Sounds like a skill problem on them, old Eruption or no. The survivors win the war of attrition, not killer. Or are you saying the killer's on every survivor and on every gen at once?

I don't know how you don't get that but you do get slugging. The killer has to be really good at chase to get everyone down in like a 45-second window. If not, the whole team recovers. I don't see how on top of it already being an unsteady strategy, Knockout also needs nerfing. The aura hiding makes Knockout. You can't change it.