I liked that idea, so I gave you another upvote ;)

Honestly, once survivors recognize that they can simply hop into a locker or move away from their specific point they're downed at, the meta itself will die.

The only change I would do is put Knock Out on a timer, that's it.

No point in permanent blindness that affects the hardest role in the game — solo-queue.

So pick your gosh darn teammates up you fool.

Take unbreakable. Take chase perks to help you.

As for when have they ever done that? Oh I dont know, how about the gen kick limit that should have been removed when they gutted SM. How about the removal of hook grabs? Or the anti camp mechanic.

I dont camp, it was somthing I never enjoyed so i just didnt do it. That is a very real example of BHVR swooping in and thanosing an option from existence though. The gen kick limit too. Now, survivors dont get punished for 3 genning themselves which I will add is a survivor mistake.

I apologize if I came off that way, I was not yelling at you. I did use bold font to emphasize a point but i did not mean for it to come across as me yelling at you.

I am growing rather frustrated with Firellius though because i feel he is being obtuse and we are going in circles as a result.

I do not call for the removal of perks. Buffs and nerfs are one thing, but removal? That is somthing else entirely, and I do not advocate for over buffing or over nerfing of perks as well. In fact I am a very big critic of it, and call it out, for both sides, when it happens in other forums for discussion.

I agree, spending huge amounts of time unable to interact meaningfully with the match is not fun, but that is a teammate problem first, not a problem with the act of leaving someone on the ground. This is happening because people hyper fixate on rushing gens rather than helping their team. There are a number of things survivors can do that is effective against slugging but rather than adapting, people are trying to get BHVR to ctrl alt delete it from the game. People would rather point the finger at killers and slugging than accept that they messed up by leaving their team on the ground and tunnel visioning gens all game.

Says who? You? Killers can play however the heck they want. No one should ever even entertain this "rules for thee but not for me" argument.

Where did this agency term come from. I keep seeing it in every post lately

1. slugging not having a downside encourages slugging. Knockout is already being used more and more. This is, once again, just a bandaid solution against people who slug for 4 minutes. Hence, a buff for survivors, because its either this, or being slugged for 4 minutes.
2. good, so thats fine
3. No, it wont be, because you cant use 1 game to select a pattern, its gonna be something that has to be flagged, and if the flags are consistent, then they start penalizing it. Its not gonna happen that someone goes next 1 game and instantly gets penalized. And the main issue with survivors going next is because its not penalized. People literally get downed in like 35 seconds due to their own mistake, then suicide on hook. There is no issue on why survivors go next. Also, yeah, they can prevent anti-camp when people are in chase, thats literally the first time they tried implementing anti-camp and that went horribly because people would keep triggering anti-camp. Then 5 years later they implemented basically the same mechanic again but with the stipulation that if any non-hooked survivor is there, there is no anti-camp (which, I find odd, cus slugged survivors shoudnt count there either, but whatever). But while I do think there will be false flags, I do also think that BHVR will reward those punished unfairly untill they tweaked out any additional problems. They might not even implement it after the PTB too if it punishes more than 5% total unfairly.
4. It's not a nerf. It's a mechanic that doesnt even apply unless you literally dont do anything. If anything, it gives reason for killers to go after AFK survivors faster and leave the survivors who arent afk alone, which is a buff to survivors. And after 3 crows? Yes, thats not a nerf. If they block you in, you can avoid that by simply walking that. Giving them exposed and aura=time away from other survivors to waste time on the afk survivor instead. Which is a buff for survivors, because it means survivors who ARE progressing the game, can keep progressing the game. And killers bodyblocking a survivor wouldnt work, BECAUSE THEY WOULD LOSE COLLISSION AFTER 2 CROWS. The teammate blocking wouldnt matter either, BECAUSE THEY WOULD LOSE COLLISSION AFTER 2 CROWS. Jeez, its almost like the most important information there didnt matter at all.
5. It does counter a killer offering, 1 survivor map offering vs 1 killer offering literally makes it a 50/50 so equal chances. 2 survivor offerings make it 66/33. 3 make it 75/25. With any other survivor and killer offering, it takes 3 survivor offerings to be equal. Meaning it SHOULD be 3 survivor offerings before its a 50/50 between both. Or a 55/45, or 45/55. Like the oak offerings. 1 purple oak offering is 3.5 meters reduced distance per hook, and 1 purple oak for survivors is +1 meter. That means that survivors need 3 offerings to only have 0.5 meters reduced, or 4 offerings to have it increased by 0.5 meters.
   So, just to give a comparison, right now it takes 3 oak offerings to compensate 1 killer oak offering, and then they still have 1 slot left to get 99.999% chance to go to the map they want. Where if a killer picks a map and survivors only need 1 map offering and can then give 3 hook offerings, then the killer has 50/50 on his map and 3 meters increased in hook. That doesnt make sense, why does in 1 case survivors get a guaranteed map, but no hook distance, but the other time, its 50/50 and massive hook distance? Its either 3 map offerings to combat the killer map offering, or killer hook offerings need to be massively buffed. I rather have the map offering rework. And no one said anything about the killer getting the map over a survivor offering, just that the killer map should simply be 3x or 3.5x as strong as the survivor equivalent of any offering. Survivors get 20% for a map offering? killers get 60-70% for the exact same offering. Simple as that. Doesnt guarantee a thing, just makes sure that if 1 survivor and 1 killer bring a map, that 3/4 times, the killer map will be chosen.
6. Spawning together is again barely a nerf, the problem currently is spawn locations being very predictable, and they stated they would change that up a little bit so its not as predictable. Right now a killer can go to 1 of the 7 realistic spawn points and instantly go in chase, when at best you have survivors on 3 gens, chase being over after about 60 seconds if you're lucky and only 1-2 gens popping depending on perks. Spawning together means you can spread out from there and thus be a bit more careful and sit on gens AFTER the killer checked the area. Since it takes longer for the killer to encounter someone, you actually would have a bigger chance of finishing 3 gens as long as you play a little bit careful at the start.

And no, not biased at all. I play both roles, about 2.5k hours on each side. I know the annoyances of both sides. And these arent nerfs for survivors AT ALL. The only I can kiiiiinda agree on is spawning togethers, but that's practically been basekit anyway. You almost always start with another survivor, quite often all 4 being in the general area. There are some times when survivors all spawn spread out, but those are rare and removing them literally wouldnt impact your overall gameplay.

What the hell do you want from me, to write an entire thesis in response to you, which we both know you will just nitpack one random little thing and then use that to gaslight me?

The response I gave you was already almost 1k words. Thats almost 2 pages.

It did significantly reduce the need to do it, yes. I absolutly agree with you on this point. However there is a second thing to consider. Tunneling is also an efficient way to win just like gen rushing is generally an efficient way for survivor to win. There were 2 ways BhVR could have gone about that situation, give survivors more tools or nerf the gen regression perks. They chose the latter.

Survivors have more second chance perks now than were avalible then too so I have no doubt that if survivors have the tools they do now, back in that meta, it would have been less hated. Still not well liked probably, as the survivor playerbase will gripe about allmost anything the killer does but, it would have absolutely been less hated.

Of course all of this is just what if's and dont really matter since the past is the past.

I doubt it'll happen in extreme cases, as they said that when it came to the 8 regression limit. Regardless of their claim, it still happens in legitimate matches where 3 gen camping isn't remotely occurring. The whole "it won't affect anyone unless there's a problem" speech simply doesn't add up in reality. As a survivor, I can force the 8 regression limit on vital gens (such as RPD lobby) within the first 5 minutes of the game easily. As a killer, I've seen survivors weaponizing it just the same.

Smart survivors also simply get a far corner gen 99'd to eat up all PR charges so they never affect any vital gens.

This is like saying killers will just not defend central gens because that way the regression is going to target those more and thus be more impactful.

Phase 2 will kill this game then everyone who advocated these changes comes back here to cry about the lack of playerbase and long queue times.

It's true. They shouldn't be surprised if they plan to annihilate these strategies it will drastically increase the queue times.

The 99 thing is specifically a counter to PR. It prevents it from ever hitting vital gens that will be battled over. For example, the snow retreat map has a gen in the center. It's a real fight to knock that out since it is patrolled so often and easily. If it's completed, survivor success goes up much higher since it means the remaining gens are further spread out - it's much harder to patrol if gens are far from each other. By having a gen way over in a corner far away, the gen will naturally be less often checked since vital gens are more towards the center. Now no matter what the killer does, he's in a lose lose situation. If he PR hooks, the gen that gets hit is the gen that's far in the corner. This leaves any progress made to center gens maintained. Pushing that middle gen can be difficult, but if that thing gets dumped 25% every pop, it'll be nigh impossible by the time bodies start dropping. If he actually goes over to the 99'd gen, that's precious time the killer has blown with zero pressure on more vital gens - more importantly, that's an uncontested center gen. The most optimal place the survivors would want the killer to be is far away from vital gens. Once all PR tokens are used up, then the fen can be completed. Doing a 25% repair on a low priority gen miles away from the killer patrolis far more viable than trying to do extra 25% per hit repairs rightwhere the killer will be on a regular basis.

As for no PR, 99% a gen usually isn't worth it unless you are trying to avoid a 3 gen, but the moment the killer spots the 99 gen, the gig is up and he'll likely not bother checking that gen anymore, so might as well complete.

Long story short, if PR is hitting, you want it hitting on a low priority gen (usually the gens the killers give up since they arent worth protecting). Survivors have complete control over exactly which gen PR affects.

Bruh as killer I literally can't even choose who I run into 99% of the time. Most of my "tunnelling" kills are just morons unhooking while I'm still in the area of the hook, and in that case why wouldn't I go after the person who already has a hook state? Slugging changes are whatever but "anti-tunnel" will kill the game.