34 extra seconds is already very strong. We do NOT need to make it 68.

Yes, even Off The Record does apply to both hook stages.

It's not too much to ask for Camaraderie to be buffed to allow it to work on both hook stages.

When I first played with it, I didn't read the perk description to recognize it didn't work on both stages and even then, it would not make it OP. Yes, sure someone could reassure my Rebecca but I am running, albeit a very situational build that buys my team time.

If people want to make survivors and killers use different perks, they need more QOL enhancements!

Same for when I said Deception needs to be an ability button, not the same button for when you vault into a locker. The game needs more QOL to the perks and general overhaul to the weaker perks and why we have players who generally do not know what each perk does or only plays meta.

I tried Lightweight and Dance With Me last night (not houdini build) - just Deja Vu and Sprint Burst and I loved it because I escaped three times in a row with the build because of Behavior buffing Dance With Me, allowing it to synergize with Lightweight.

You want more variety? Buff the weaker perks.

It should simply show that someone has it so people have a better chance of actually playing around it without being in a swf with the person on hook before anything else.

I agree with @Shroompy —the best "buff" for this perk is notifying teammates that it is in play.
You could notify so many players that it is in play, and they still wouldn't know what that means. …but for those of us who know, it is the least you can do.

i feel like we could make it so it works for both stages (as OP suggested), and maybe either increase the range or make it so it can be activated by the hooked survivor. If it gets too powerful, the timer can always get scaled down.

Yeah this perk is totally blown away by reassurance, which is a much better perk. There should be a reason to run it over reassurance. At the very minimum it should work in both stages, but the trigger condition should also be something that doesn't require another survivor so that reasurance isn't just better.

Even then, I think it's hard to keep DBD as a casual game in general. We saw that with the general transition from stealth gameplay to chase gameplay.

When I first started the game, I did not jump into a game of DBD and figure it out on my own. I watched a ton of content creators (survivor mains) and would just do monkey see, monkey do behavior. When you have a game that has been out for as long as Dead By Daylight is, similar to any other multiplayer game - people will consistently do better and be better as many people learn more knowledge and spread more knowledge.

Look at Fortnite as a prime example of this, people didn't know how to do any form of building at first... Just basic introductory things like build a wall when you first get shot at. As the game developed and people were learning how to play, people learned how to crank 90s, double wall-double ramp combinations, pyramid edits, etc.

Same for Behavior's Dead By Daylight, you have people uploading videos on how to run specific tiles, what perks to utilize, tips and strategies in general, when they nerfed medkits and CoH (not saying they didn't need to be nerfed) but survivors adapted and pressured gens while injured. The game will continue to learn and grow with each development and change that Behavior does to the game because we have people with minutes to thousands of hours of playtime. Comp didn't do that - sure, it illustrated habits that we learn and do - I learned a lot from watching Doc from his old team Calamity and watching his YouTube channel in general as a warm up before queuing - but that does not mean that comp players ruined DBD - DBD was already changing when we transitioned from a horror stealth game to chased oriented gameplay.

The killers started slugging because of +10 seconds, what bad could theoretically happen if we give the survivors +64 seconds?

@Spare_Them_Mori_Me

I didn't mean to offend or anything. Obviously you can have fun being casual and you can have fun being competitive.

I'm a person who is competitive, but mostly on myself lol. If that makes sense, I have fun in the game from the chases and time that I generally waste. Yes, I do gens. Yes, I can do flashlight saves (if I'm in the position to do it). I still progress the game forward, I try my best every time I load into a game, even if I load into a map that I don't like - I still try and everything else! That's where my fun lies, learning and growing each time I load into a game.

Obviously fun is subjective, people think casual is fun, people think playing competitively is fun. 😊 The reason why I drew a comparison to Fortnite because I was a huge Fortnite player in the past and I knew how to build, just like all the others but obviously I didn't know how to edit very fast like others but I'm sure if I took the time to learn, I would have been obviously good enough to keep up.

The same thing with DBD, people find stealth fun, people find chases fun, people find whatever semblance of gameplay - whatever it is, fun.

Personally speaking, I don't know your perspective on chase vs stealth as I've never talked to you about it before - but generally, I did like the game when it was more stealth based but when Behavior started to introduce more aura reading into the game - it's been harder to pull off stealth plays in the past, hence why DBD has shifted to more of a chase styled game.

Of course, it wasn't overnight but we're talking about a game that's been out since 2016, right? We're now in 2025 and that's a lot of changes for the game to undergo.

Back in 2016, you had people abusing infinites, abusing Self Care, abusing Balanced Landing and other exhaustion perks, etc, etc, etc. Obviously DBD went through a lot of patches, I started in 2022 so that's where my experience comes from.

I don't even think if Behavior made a casual mode, like let's say casual vs competitive, right? You would have people more or less joining the casual mode and making it a "sweatfest" regardless, you know? I mean, they could theoretically, maybe ban meta perks, and call it a day, but even when you have so many people with so many hours - it's just hard to tell many people to go back to 2016 mindset or whatever the year was when chase gameplay became stronger. Obviously, it was there when I played back in 2022, I never was an Urban Evader gamer like they did back in the past.