People tend to say the term killer far too much. What they really mean is A tier or higher killers when it comes to complaining about the general strength of killers.

When it comes to tunneling, slugging and camping it probably is genuinely applied to all killers and I think that's fair.

Yes, the majority of the killer roster is not strong, and more often than not you have to fight for your life as a B/C/D tier killer player. If you're say, an Onryo main, people crying about how easy killer is seems ridiculous.

But the issue is that in a given surv play session (at anything above bottom tier MMR), at least half your games (if not more) are going to be against S/A tier killers.

Because the strongest killers often have the highest pick rates, DBD can feel killer sided. That most of the killer roster is weak doesn't mean much to you when you're facing your fifth consecutive Blight.

And solo is solo; a total mixed bag. Good SWFs are the strongest thing in the game by far, but strong SWFs aren't all that common.

There's just no consistency/standard in DBD, which is why making blanket generalizations is so stupid.

They have a skewed view of killer, either because they don't play it or because it gives them smurf matches when they do play. It's funny how half of the complaints that go into match specifics talk about Hillbilly or Blight taking everyone out at the start. So what happens when that's not that case? Nothing? No, it's gonna be the opposite, where the survivors are walking all over the killer. Those matches don't get talked about as much, because it hurts their position that you "can't do anything" against killers. No, the ones who can't do anything are the M1 and non-S tier killers. I've seen enough matches where the survivors didn't do anything impressive, got downed back to back, and did the gens really quick anyway, to see that the game isn't balanced around good survivors. So a lot of the survivors complaining just need to get good, OR maybe they're getting messed up by solo matchmaking. But it's not the killer being too strong that's the problem.

Those of us who main killer, or believe the role really needs help, are being pushed to increasingly "radical" opinions because of how far behind killer is getting. Like, I don't know how you can even justify a killer being 110% at this point. 115% killers have a hard time catching survivors, so why do certain ones need to be 110%? Because they have a good ability? That's basically all killers, even though "good" isn't good enough in my experience. You miss a survivor once, and they're on the other side of the map. You hit them, and they're healthy, they make it to the other side anyway. That puts extra stress on 110% killers, who are either dominating or getting dominated, with no in-between, and little to no comeback potential. Hatch is another thing. Forget that it's a free escape for just a second. Why does it open even after 5 gens are done and the exits are powered? Why does the killer have to patrol 3 escape routes in a 1v4? That's the handholding we're talking about.

For a map, or anything, to be killer sided, you'd better show me how each and every killer uses it to perfection. Because if you're wanting to nerf something because 1-3 killers in the whole roster can use it, that's not very convincing. Or that it's too good against solos. Why do people always run to that, when they never have nerfing SWF as an option? Good SWF has been untouchable in this game since it came out. If 4 good solos can get a 4-man out against a really good killer, these guys will give max 1-2 hooks at 5 gens done. The communication and the coordinated builds is too much. The gens are too fast, and the random teammate save our of nowhere is too consistent. You've got to debuff their gen speed. Start somewhere. Maybe the gens should be slower for them, but the same as usual for randoms. IDK, but you cannot simultaneously balance for them and clueless solos at the same time. And because clueless solos get priority the most, and the game has been made so that they can still beat really good killers, good SWF just dog walk the killer when he comes into contact with them. I've seen it again and again. On the nights where it's mostly SWF, I don't want to play, because I'm not getting more than 1-2 kills no matter how well I play. They're able to go down near constantly, because of their meta perk cocktails, but if I make 1 mistake (allow 1 flashlight save, or get 1 person to death hook and then they hide), kiss the match goodbye.

So I don't know why all killers get lumped in with the strongest, most favorable positions possible, and the same is never done for survivors. I don't know how people get survivors who just don't do gens, and then use those matches as justification for why all killer matches are easy. I've said for years that the level for viability in killers is S tier, because anything below that, you're just leaving the match up to chance. Maybe you get survivors who don't know what they're doing, and you get a slightly less sweaty match. Or maybe you get the untouchable teams (because of such well designed maps), and get 2-3 hooks. Because if you look at how killers have to sweat, they're having to down survivors constantly, and the match result is still up in the air. If they'd just fix the matchmaking, and then the balance, the game wouldn't be in such a terrible state. Or they could change the win conditions. But what it is right now is not it.

Even the killer side needs hope. The few voices that are not afraid to speak out about the problems that accompany the killer. In an era of darkness, when any killer opinion will be downvoted on the forum by the surviving side. These few messages show the killers forced to hide that in a world of injustice there are still pockets of resistance ready to fight for the rights of killers…

Because the devs listen to the majority when making balance decisions, and the majority, the casuals, say that the game is killer sided. That's not fair. For all we know, half those people don't even play killer. They're playing at such a low level, they complain about like Wraith and Freddy and Ghost Face, and how killers use OP perks like stuff that shows aura or applies Hemorrhage. At least us arguing out case, there's a chance the devs will listen to us instead of people who don't know what they're doing. We have to try. If we didn't care about the well-being of the game, we'd have left long ago.

I don't think it is. The math of the game suggests that survivors should win basically every time if all players know what they're doing. Some people have tried to use false equivalencies with comp to say that it's killer sided, but the only type of tourney where you see killers getting lots of kills allows literal moris. I say look at the majority of those matches, where the survivors are severely handicapped in what they can bring, and Nurse/Blight is getting like draws against them. Or they point to the top players in the world who do killer win streaks. Okay, so 5 players can do triple digit win streaks, therefore killer never needs another buff, is basically what they're saying.

Look at certain killers, how their gameplay loop is. Legion and Plague keep survivors injured all game. Hillbilly, Myers, and Leatherface also instadown basically all game. And yet those are some of the weakest killers in the game, because their powers don't help with the broken loops. Check spots at loops give survivors time to react to whatever the killer does, so they have agency in chase, not the killer. There's several 110% killers in the game who barely move faster than survivors. There's clear double standards between killer and survivor perks. Hope gives 7% Haste forever. NOED gives 4% speed (and instadowns tbf) and it's a destroyable perk that reveals itself to the whole survivor team.

Nothing I've seen in my 4500 hours has shown me the game leans killer sided. Killers only do consistently well at bottom level where the survivors don't do their objective. If the game was killer sided, you'd be right in that it would be justified, because it's supposed to be survivors and killers, not the Scooby-Doo villain chase simulator it is now. The survivors should never be in a position where the killer is their plaything, except maybe in smurf scenarios (because there's no real solution to that). But in this game, they can make almost any killer their plaything just by stacking advantages, you know, OP map with super safe multiple loops, second chance perks, flashlight/pallet saves, check spots, shift W, super quick heals, infinitely replaceable boons, etc. Obviously not all of those will be in play at once, but it really only takes 1 for good survivors to just dominate the killer. And because the devs are forcing solos closer to that power level, to make the game "more equal" for solo and SWF, bad survivors are honestly starting to beat really good killers.

I don't really look to the downvotes or upvotes for objective "this is the correct answer" kind of validation. If something a I disagree with gets lots of downvotes, or something I say gets lots of upvotes, that's just inconsequential personal gratification. I do see a lot of downvotes on mine, but not a lot of responses. If what I say displeases you, show me where I'm wrong and let's talk about it. I feel like a lot of killer nerfs happen in this game without any legit macro reasoning. I'll challenge people on the bogusness that was the Engineer's Fang nerf, the Pinky Finger nerf, the Adrenaline Vial nerf, numerous other killer and killer perk nerfs, and even the "gen kick meta" nerf (or at least its principle). Maybe they don't bother to argue because they know I won't change my mind, but when an unstoppable force meets and immovable object, that can happen. But that hasn't stopped the devs from nerfing killers when they've also refused to change their minds. It only goes 1 way. Sure, they throw us a bone every now and then, with the FTP/MTF nerf, or the first MTF nerf (literal 3% speed just for being injured), or the removal of perma destroyed hooks (never made any sense). But looking at the greater history of DBD, I think you'll find it's just a series of killer nerfs meant to satisfy the most casual among us.

I think most balance changes comes from content creators finding and abusing new combos, that BHVR then sees and then adjusts. I don't think that threads like this move the needle much, or at all.

Especially seeing as nobody makes feedback threads for the devs to read. They just make general threads to vent and complain in.

just curious in what aspect is the game "killer" sided (no soloQ doesnt count bc its an asym game)

but thats what the devs intend the game to be a 60/40 aspect ratio.

if their intentions are irrelevant then whats the point of them being a developer of the game????. and while it might be killer sided like you said its supposed to due to the asymetrical nature of the game (1v4)

(the game devs apear to want a 2 die 2 out aspect in terms of matches) and with all these things to account you forget a tiny detail maps. sadly the map design isnt competetive to be "balanced" for the whole roster. where nurse can just ooga booga around garden of pain. pig might aswel not even try most of the time due to the simple fact that most loops eithe A: chain together creating sudo infinites or B: strong windows/pallets you HAVE to either break or play around wich wastes allot of time for these lower end killers due to their lack of mobility. I understand your points but as you probably know dbd is flawed to the core since it never expected to grow so drasticly

dont forget these killrates (wich are probably taken from nightlight) are highly inaccurate due to the whole killing on hook dcíng etc

isnt that then an issue for blight and nurse? (talking about in terms of power lvl) because a pig wil have to do MUCH more work then a nurse or blight to achieve the same stats

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I say it's killer sided because of this: I'm legally blind. I can only see out of 20% of one eye. I cannot see the survivors, their scratch marks, the map, etc but I can so easily get 4ks.Consecutively. But, when I play survivor, it's incredibly hard to win. I use the exact same methods for both- I rely heavily on sound, knowledge of the game and knowledge of the task at hand. If I can honestly assess the situation and say the survivors had no chance, regardless of the killer I choose, literally not being able to see what I'm doing- I think I can fairly say that the game is skewed in favor of the killer.

Watch people that are actually good at the game, like content creators. They win the majority of their matches, even against teams that are clearly quite good.

The fact that this can be achieved tells me that people just need to get better at the game. If they can't be bothered, then why are they even caring about this in the first place?

You can say the same about survivor, but I can't will my soloq teammates to be better, limiting my agency. That said, survivors could definitely get better too instead of whining. But one side clearly has more agency than the other.

For those that say Comp SWF's win, perhaps comparing them to Comp Killers is a fairer comparison. And, they actually did an unrestricted event like that. It came out at about 50/50. So, surprisingly, at the sweatiest level, it's hardly even sided. Though that was a couple of years ago, it might be different now.