I don't think the current state of the game can hold an 200% Ruin effect. Maybe 125 or 150% at max but ruin is fine for me the way it is now.

If they are going to buff regression, other gen perks could be buffed, like Eruption or Surge.

i dont think it would do much tho, hexes usually go within 30 secs of survivors finding out that they are up

They won't do it, because it's the same mentality behind not bringing Overcharge to 400%. People see, "Uwah! Big number! OP!" and the devs don't want the backlash, even though the complaints would all come from people not understanding the game's numbers. Survivors progress generators at 400%, so that version of Overcharge would have broken even on regression, 200% Ruin would regress gens half as fast as survivors could progress, and base regression is at 100% (1/4 of the speed survivors progress) which is just sad. None of those give the killer any significant regression, unless survivors simply let a 90-50% gen go back down to 0% over the course of minutes, and good survivors simply don't allow that to happen. That's why they shouldn't play so safe with these numbers.

It's quite clear to say you're upset and angry, and falsely assumed I meant that killers shouldn't of strong perks when I did not say or intend to refer to that. The issue with Ruin at 200% is that it would push the game too far in the other direction, especially when stacked with other slowdown perks. The nerf to 3-genning does weaken gen defense overall, but that doesn’t mean Ruin needs to return to its old form. It means other slowdown options should be looked at or adjusted.

As for why Ruin isn't worth running, is cause it's a hex, it's a gamble meaning it is inconsistent and not popular among killers who prefer reliable perks like Undying, Devour, or Pentimento. If Ruin needs to be paired with other perks to be effective, it might require a rework instead of a direct buff.

Killers should have strong perks that encourage counterplay and avoid creating passive, gen-stall-heavy matches. Buffing Ruin could lead to oppressive combinations like Ruin + Pop + Pain Res, and other combos we saw in 2023/2022, hurting survivor gameplay balance. Which is quite obviously what the developers are trying to avoid. Balance works both ways.

If they're buffing any slowdown i'd prefer it to be garbage like Thana and Dying Light.

200% ruin would be overkill, but it should go to 150%

Agreed, except I posted that in another threat and got like 10 down votes from salty survivors

Well, there are killers who aim to manage 8 hooks before killing anyone and Ruin would be great for that playstyle.

Well, are you using currently ruin in your builds? Otherwise it wouldn't change anything for you, but it would make it better for others.

It's because killers can just chase survivors off of generators and get instant regression then and there without having to kick the gen or do anything else special. So they get to have stronger chases AND free regression without even touching the anti 3gen kick limit.

Ruin doesn't need a buff. Not directly. All totem placements just need to be better and not super obvious.

This is not an instant regression, this is a regression 4 times slower than the progress of 1 survivor as @danielmaster87 said you just look at a big number and don't go into detail about what it means

If you see the Ruin and decide to let it get value over cleansing it, you are the problem.

I'm with you. I hate wasting time kicking gens. I usually just slap Surge on my builds and call it a day.

Sometimes I'm angry, yeah, because I always have to sweat as killer, get told the game should be easy mode for me, and every little buff that is suggested, you people say, "Hmm. That's not a good idea." You don't even have a tangible alternative. A numbers buff is the easiest, most obvious, most practical solution the devs can do. And we had 200% Ruin at one point. Was it game breaking? Absolutely not. We still didn't run it, because it was a hex and its permanent destructibility didn't justify how little power it brought. All these wannabe Ruin enthusiasts patronize killers with their suggestion of a mere 150% Ruin. Again, if survivors leave a gen going down for minutes and minutes on end, sure, that version of the perk could get good value. But survivors who know what they're doing will not let that happen, because it would be hardcore throwing the game. Some didn't like me saying this stuff, but then they haven't told me where I'm wrong.

If killers want to bring hexes, let them. We'll deal with the risk of it getting destroyed. The only part we don't like about that is the clearly visible spawns, and the fact that Ruin doesn't do enough on its own. You want counterplay? You can destroy it permanently, no matter what level of power it's at. Same with 3-gens, where you don't even have to coordinate as a team very well anymore, because the gens will just block themselves off from the killer's kicks. That is the single most important thing that should alleviate your fears of too much gen defence. The survivors win the war of attrition by default; they do the gens faster than the killer can possibly slow them. If the killer has 3-4 regression perks, that's all he's got. No chase perks, no vault perks, no aura perks, no endgame perks, nothing. Once the killer has exhausted his 4 Pain Res stacks, assuming he even can before the gens are done, they pretty much start flying, whether he's got Pop, Ruin, or whatever with it. The only reason that doesn't happen is when survivors go down constantly and won't do their objective, which I've seen today, so don't tell me survivors are always trying their best. They usually don't.

The balance barely goes both ways. It's not like the devs haven't done anything to help killer. But with the backlash against updates like 6.1.0, they made sure to never give killer decent buffs again. They're scared to, because survivors get all this stuff for free, base BT, base anti-camp, 10-second longer hooks, entire maps that are just 1 big interconnected loop, god windows you can never break, check spots, and scratch marks, breathing/injured sounds, and footsteps not working for the killer. And they still complain that they get nothing and killer gets everything. Killer got gold in 1 Olympic event, and that's "unfair" despite survivors getting gold in the other 9. Survivor mains don't want interactivity and counterplay. They want to win as much or more as killers do, which quite simply shouldn't be possible.